o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:
I'm atheist, but you were the one claiming he was socialist.
Caring about the poor, disabled and all else and giving yourself to that cause is called charity not socialism. Socialism is demanding that others do it, and they usually are the biggest hypocrites since they preach it but keep their richness to themselves.
And as far as I remember most of the powerfull, rich and billionaires on the end of ex-URSS had ties to the top brass and were involved in the black market allowed by those top brass to benefit themselves.
And I rather have Bill Gates making 100000x more than me and I still living plenty than have Boris earn 4x more than me and I starve, inequality isn't the real enemy as we both agreed and Chris try to deny.
And you put it very well that without the incentive to excell there is no progress. Capitalism is based not only in excell but also on making what the market needs and attending those demands earn you money, so basically most people that got rich (outside of corruption and crime) were providing value and improvement to the world and deserved their money.
Capitalism in 200 years improved standard of lifes uncomparably more than the 20000 years before it. The king of xix century lived worse than a poor people (that isn't starving) of today.
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exactly the peasants that lived under the monarchies of the past (similar in my opinion to what communism really is code for) suffered for centuries with no hope of advancement till the era of the enlightenment came which put emphasis on the importance of the liberty of the individual and independence
the ancestors of the people of most of the western nations fought to give the people of western nations the chance to live outside of the oppressive rule of something like communism or feudalism, where people actually have a chance for improvement
and now many people for some reason(stupidity presumably) are ready to throw that away and become peasants again... its so bizarre to me that i just can't wrap my head around it
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Strange, considering that I live under a monarchy right now, and I definitely don't want its existence.
