DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:
I meant fact that's announcement of new game in any case. Again, full handheld mode for 3rd party ports gave to those game hole new dimension, some people would easily do double dip or even wait Switch version in order to play those game in full handheld mode. We already saw here some people that wrote that wanted PS4 version of Wolfenstein 2 but they will wait for Switch version. For instance you already have people that have Skyrim on PS4 or even PS3, but again some of those people will buy that game on Switch, because they will have game they will able to play everywhere they want. You will mainle have two dirent type of people that will buy multiplatform games on Switch, people who want to play those game on the go in full handheld mode and people who don't have other platforms to play those games.
Totaly difrent things, PS3 had slow start becuse very high price, after price cuts PS3 started selling. Xbox360 lost postion beacuse MS slowed down with support while Sony actualy gave huge suport to PS3 basicly until PS4 didnt arived. You could say something similar for Wii, when Nintendo slowed down and stoped suporting Wii, Wii stoped to sell. But all those cases are difrent from what we are saying, offcourse that Nintendo will not stop suporting Switch in 2018. But again, those totally different things, it's much easier to keep momentum than try to save platform. Again, you dont have any reason to suspect that Switch will lose momentum in 2018.There is zero sense to release 3DS successor that will be part of different platform from Switch, Nintendo basically unified their handheld and home platforms with Switch, we could have 3DS succsor in form Switch Mini/Pocket, but that means same games.
Of Course that Nintendo will have smaller and bigger games and system seller games like always, but this time it will be bigger number of games all together, Nintendo always have those game I dont see why you assume it will be difrent with Switch, Switch could just lead to biger number of relases.
But Wii had quite solid 3rd party support (it had dosens of Fifa, NBA, NFS, NHL, CoD...games), and offcourse that it wouldnt had so many of those game sif it didnt sell well. But if compare Wii and Switch, whats exalty is different if talk about 3rd party ports!? Fact that Switch is much closer to power to curent console than Wii ever was, fact that Switch support all modern tech and engines that modern games are using and that of course wasn't case with Wii, so porting current next games to Switch is much easier compared to Wii and PS3/Xbox360 games, that why we alredy have ananucments of games like Skyrim or Doom. And devs alone see that Swich gave totaly new dimension to their games compared to PS4/XB1 version of game. And like I wrote, after Wii U faile many 3rd partys taked "wait and see aprouch" with Switch, and how Switch conitinue to sell good and instal base is getiing bigger we will have more and more ananucments, definatly next year we will have much more ananucments. And I alredy wrote you who will buy those games, "You will mainle have two dirent type of people that will buy multiplatform games on Switch, people who want to play those game on the go in full handheld mode and people who don't have other platforms to play those games".
Of Course that everyone will not buy (lol), but full handheld mode for those games is game changer for some people.
No you still don't get it, Nintendo wanted to show 2D Kirby game and they show it, they still dont want to show other Q1 games. Nothing strange about that, they done similar things all time with Switch.
Again, you are trying very hard, but you don't have any reasons for such doubts or concerns.
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Even if it's a game that hasn't been out, in the end, when it actually launches, it will be the same as a port: out in last and when the other versions already had a good time on sale (not to forget that, in this case, the Holidays will have passed).
It didn't start it's life as a port, but it will live as one.
There's no real value in using people on forums to help prove or disprove something.
Yes, people will wait, but you're making it look like portability is this amazing thing that people never had before and they just got to have it now.
I don't know if you saw, but NOA had a poll to see where Switch owners felt was the best place to game, and surprise, surprise, the vast majority chose home as their best place to game.
The PS3, Wii, XB360 example - you could even add PS1 and 3DS to the list - was only to show that the way you start doesn't automatically tell how the future is going to be. Whatever the reason may be that causes a change, stuff might happen to will make your console rise or fall in sales.
" it's much easier to keep momentum than try to save platform"
I'm not sure it's that easier.
At the end of the day either you have the library of games that people want or you don't. If you do, you can keep momentum or save your platform. If you don't, you will lose momentum or you won't be able to make your console's sales take off.
"Again, you dont have any reason to suspect that Switch will lose momentum in 2018"
And here we go again! :D
Besides Kirby, Yoshi, FE, what other games has Nintendo actually confirmed for 2018?
How many heavy hitter, system selling games has Nintendo confirmed to be coming in 2018?
We can speculate all we want, but the fact, is we don't really know what games are coming, to make a statement like you made.
What you have doing since our past conversations in assuming stuff - stuff that isn't confirmed.
I know that the chances of Nintendo not unifying their SW line, are small, but unifying their SW and HW departments was a measure to create a better relationship between between departments and become more productive (reusing assests and whatnot) and not to unify their SW lines.
If your read Iwata's comments on the matter you'll see that.
I'm not saying Switch won't have big hitters next year or 2019.
What i asked was how 2018 will compare to 2017 (fresh concept+amazing Zelda and Mario, Splatoon 2, MK8 (even if a port), etc.)? That's a very tough thing to beat.
2018 better have a lot of heavy hitters if Nintendo wants to continue Switch momentum.
Kirby, Yoshi and even FE, to some extant, are nowhere near the powerhouses (like Mario, Zelda, Splatoon and MK) that will do that.
These franchises (Kirby and Yoshi) will not sell the console. They will sell and please fans, but won't attract new consumers.
They are the type of franchises that Nintendo fans like, but that's it.
Wii had good support from EA, but you should look at what those FIFA, NFL, etc, turned out be in the end: family/casual oriented versions.
Wii didn't get less support because it was (clearly) less powerful than PS3/XB360. The problem was always the audience. Just look at sales of CoD games on Wii vs PS3 and Xb360 and you'll see that. If even CoD couldn't sell millions on Wii, what chance had other less popular IPs on Wii?
I have no doubts we will get more announcements due to Switch being successful.
My concern is: will it be a multiplat or a port? Is it a system selling franchise like Destiny/CoD/Battlefield or the likes of Doom and W2?
That makes all the difference.
Nintendo did hide a few surprises (Mario and Rabbids, the Pokemon port) but those surprises were still far away (when you take into consideration that the Switch line-up was revealed in January).
So, i'm trying to hard?
You say that announcements are bound to come because Switch is a success and 2018 will be the same.
I said that we don't know what's coming in 2018 besides 3 games (the only ones actually confirmed) and that future announcements (ports or multiplats) are dependent on how Fifa 18, Skyrim, Doom sell on Switch.
I don't see how i'm trying to hard, here.
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Again, you were wrong, you wrote thay announced port, but fact is that they announce new unreleased game, not port of some old game. So point is about announcement, and fact is that was announcement of new games.
Offcourse there is point, beacuse we talking about part of people that will buy those games. Again, full handheld mode is game changer for some people, and yes we never had before full AAA games in full handheld mode, you never didnt had full AAA Skyrim, Doom, NBA 2KA, Wolfenstein and future AAA 3rd party games, or even full AAA Nintendo games for that matter. Yes majority of people in poll wrote they playing at home, but poll wanst about how they play in home, do they play on TV, or in bed, bathroom, kitchen, basement..
I already wrote about those examples, and no one of those examples didn't start strong and slow up in second year on market. Lol, offcourse it much easier to keep good momentum, espacily if you have good apeling product (great hybrid concept), great marketing and branding and you definatly have games that will keep momentum.
Nintendo confirmed only few games until now for 2018. but that wasn't nothing strange because they literally announcing some games only few months before launchh. Hevi hitters that we could have in 2018.: Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Retros game... Yes curently we can only speculate about what games we could have in 2018. but offcourse that Nintendo will have some hevi hiters in 2018. also, there no reasons to doubt about that, I mean they had heavy hitters even with Wii U not to mentine 3DS, so I dont see what you doubt about Switch second year when we know that all Nintendo big projects are in development for Switch only for quite time now.
One of main reasons of unifying their hardware and handheld platforms is because they saw that in modern age they can't effectively supporting two different platforms in same time (that's one of main reasons why we had huge droughts in 1st year with Wii U), why would they make two 2D Mario games, two MK games, two Yoshi, two Kirby...when they just make yust one version of those games and make some difrent games for same time. Nintendo didn't unifedy just their game divisions, they unified their hardware divisions also, before they were separate handheld and separate home console divisions for games and for hardware. And at end, with hybrid nature of Switch, it's obvious they don't need at all separate handheld and separate home console platforms.
2018. doesnt need to beat 2017. it just need to keep momentum, but it was far more important that Switch from start is shown like very desired piece of hardware with must have games, thats very important for sales that will come in coming years also. Games like Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon2 and Mario Odyssey will be one of main reasons for seling Switch in future years, espacily with stock problems and point that not all people that want Switch will not be able to buy it in 2017. Switch now is great console with great games, and with every new game and announcement Switch is becoming more desirable console. Kirby and Yoshi are not system seller games but they will good addition to Switch lineup, FE will definatly be system seller in some degree, but offcourse we will have some hevi hiters that will be stronger than FE (Posible Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Retros game...).
Lol, of course that one main reasons why Wii didn't had better 3rd party support is huge power and technical gap compared to PS3/Xbox 360, something similar could be said for Wii Remote and Motion Controls, things like those are huge problems for devs that wanted to port PS3/Xbox360 game to Wii, if that wasnt case Wii would have much better 3rd party support. 3rd party will almost always sell less on Nintendo platform compared to PS/Xbox, but it doesnt need to sell same in order that devs make profit. Do you think Switch is getting those 3rd party games because devs thinking they will same like on PS4/XB1, of course not, but they know that there will be probably sell enough so they can make profit, and they know those games will have extra vaule compared to PS4/XB1 versions of games for posible buyers beacuse of full handheld mode.
It dosnt relly matter if its multiplat or port, I alredy wrote to you that mostly you will have 2 difrent types of buyers of 3rd party games on Switch, people who want to play those game on the go in full handheld mode and people who don't have other platforms to play those games, so for those people it doesnt relly matter when game will come to Switch. Hardly some one will buy for instance Wolfenstein 2 on Switch just in order to play in docked mode if he have PS4/XB1/PC, but situation is quite different if someone want to play that game in full handheld mode, or if someone has only Switch like platform, so for those people don't really matters when game will come to Switch. For instance you could bet that it full be huge deal if GTA is released on Switch even if its few years after PS4/XB1 beacuse game is still very popular, and you can bet that some people would buy Switch in order to play GTA V everywhere and any time they want.
Nintendo had far more surprises than just those two games, look how many games were announced in January and how many games we have announced now.
You trying hard because you try to imply that Nintendo will not have heavy hitters ready for 2018. and second Switch year, even if you know how Nintendo is managing announcements with Switch and you know that 3DS and even Wii U also had hevi hitters in second year also, and of course that Switch also have them, especially when we know that all Nintendo big projects are development for Switch for quite time now. And you can bet that will have more 3rd party announcement in meantime, and more and more anancuments how Switch continue to sell and instal base is rising.
