World gone mad: People angry about "innocent until proven gulty"

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DarthMetalliCube said:

contestgamer said:

You sound like Dave Rubin. These so called "classical liberals" are all libertarians that wants to infilitrate the left. At least you have the courage to mention libertarianism, unlike many of your compatriots. It rubs me the wrong way when they pretend to be part of the left under the guide of "liberal" - they're diametrically opposed to everything liberal. Big (useful) government, social redistribution, cultural equality, power to the oppressed, etc.

That's no coincidence, David Rubin (along with Bill Maher in some respects and maybe a few others) are the few liberals I still kind of identify with and admire. For my money it isn't them who have inflitrated the left but rather this sort of left authoritarianism or neoliberlism (see Hillary) that has infiltrated TRUE liberalism. Dave (and people who hold similar views like myself) are a representation of that the "old school" left from whom leftism has been drifting away from. To me - concepts like "live and let live", freedom of speech, due process, judging people on the merits of individual character and actions rather than sex/race, government staying out of people's personal lives, ect, are very much liberal positions, and stances I value. But it seems like this modern day "progressivism" has strayed FAR away from these concepts..

Can lliberalism, specifically classical liberalism, even be considered leftist? I want to drift away from liberalism, so the left drifting away from that would be a positive in my mind. However, I don't know how many classical liberals would even consider themselves as leftists, as they are anti-socialist.