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RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:

A billionairre becomes a billionairre by providing products and services that other people want. If it's done through free trade and not some green energy government subsidy, then who have they hurt/exploited?

"that whoever could make two ears of corn, or two blades of grass, to grow upon a spot of ground where only one grew before, would deserve better of mankind, and do more essential service to his country, than the whole race of politicians put together."

Capitalism 101 - Prices fall making everyone richer. You don't have to work as many hours for the same goods/services.

The robophobia in this thread is scary. If leftists had the first clue about free trade and the damage they cause by getting in it's way, they wouldn't be leftists.

Huh? Multinational corporations and billionaires have so much money because they shuffle around the revenue and thus avoid to pay a lot of taxes in a lot of countries.

Before they shuffled the money, how did they get it in the first place? I'm not talking about Russian oligarchs or Middle East dictators. Bill Gates earnt his wealth by providing a product/service that millions wanted, how do you feel morally about western governments stealing his money given he's now using his wealth to cure disease? Do you think it's acceptable that first worlders stole his wealth to pay for their own healthcare to the detriment of third worlders with malaria?

 Meanwhile, the common man pays his taxes and does his fair share of contributing to the society. The obscenely rich are most definitely exploiting the financial systems everywhere they go. Free trade agreements in and of themselves are commonly set up to be exploits to make the rich richer.

I agree FTAs are usually protectionist in some way. If two people want to trade with each other there's no need for the government to stick it's nose in especially when they're likely to remove most/all of the value in the trade.

It's not like proper taxpaying and an idea like UBI would put rich people on the same level as the people at the bottom. Some people in this thread have the attitude of "I can't be happy if nobody else has to suffer." Something as simplified as UBI might not be the solution, but the distribution of wealth is similar to the distribution of food in this world; there's actually enough for everyone to have something, but the systems in place are so messed up that many people have next to nothing.

Free marketeers tend to have an awful bedside manner but it's because we know trade is the best way to eliminate poverty/advance humanity. I don't know anyone who doesn't want to financially support those who aren't able but that doesn't include lazy fuckers who think we're going to pay for their premium sports subscriptions.



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