Would you agree on a pre-emptive strike against North Korea?

[DonFerrari]

Soundwave said:

DonFerrari said:

Where have I said History? I said that the loser is considered the criminal, for that there have to be a trial. You imagined things I didn't said and argueed it.

EU (Europe Union?) ok. Because your nickname having RIo seemed very USA and your position on USA being like the imperialistic overlords is what our left wing does.

And what have secured NK from previous invasions that weren't nuclear weapons? Venezuela or Cuba? Brazil?

You don't need nuclear weapon to avoid being invaded as long as you aren't a dictatorship throwing tantrums.

Several countries without nuclear weapons weren't invaded by USA.

So US is the one bullying NK? ok.

Sorry but deals on this scale is like making deals with terrorist which USA swear they don't do, and deal or no deal they can certainly keep doing research in more seclutive ways.

There is no deal really to be made actually. North Korea has the world community by the balls here. 

There is no realistic military option here. This is at Bush's feet IMO. 

This is also why Obama was extremely smart in negotiating with Iran and getting them to come back from the brink BEFORE getting fucking nuclear weapons, and all those idiots who were screaming "don't negotiate! what a bad leader" ... well enjoy your North Korea problem now.

NK has nukes already, all we can do is try to incentivize them now to stop using them and threatening with them, but you can't exactly do a lot once the regime already gets them. Basically I think the world community is going to have to in effect give NK "respect" and normalize relations with them to whatever extent is possible now. 

The way you put it would make reasonable for Russia to demand 3 Tri USD a year to stop them from nuking USA as a whole because they certainly have nukes and missiles to deliver then anywhere in the USA. There is a reason you don't negotiate with kidnappers or blackmailers.

Lucas-Rio said:

DonFerrari said:

EU (Europe Union?) ok. Because your nickname having RIo seemed very USA and your position on USA being like the imperialistic overlords is what our left wing does.

And what have secured NK from previous invasions that weren't nuclear weapons? Venezuela or Cuba? Brazil?

You don't need nuclear weapon to avoid being invaded as long as you aren't a dictatorship throwing tantrums.

Several countries without nuclear weapons weren't invaded by USA.

So US is the one bullying NK? ok.

The US is bullying a lot of country. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Panama, Vietnam, Haiti, Somalia, and now Syria too where it is fighting the ISIS but also trying to attack syrian governement.You also missed Trump threatening Venezuela?

History show that no nuclear country has ever been invaded. History shows that country labelled " axis of evil" by the USA tend to be attacked and destroyed by the US.

The maths are simple, develop nuclear weapons to protect yourself against the USA, or become the possible next victim of US export of "democracy".

PS: in case you did not know Lucario is a the name of a popular pokemon

I know lucario is a pokemon, but Lucas is a brazilian name and Rio a city, so you can understand why the confusion on you being brazilian.

Yes USA have bullied a lot of countries. Nope I didn't miss it, but still venezuela does it weekly and threaten to invade USA every month or so.

History is YET to show it (perhaps), as far as I know the area among the tech republic (and all the variations it had) would have a nuke over there, also Crimea region probably have some as well. I don't know for sure what legacy nukes each ex-URSS region kept.

Yes the math is simple, dictators and the like kill their own people, exploit then and use nukes to negotiate their continued exploitation but by some reason it is better to keep those guys suffering for another 50y than risking war.

Lucas-Rio said:

DonFerrari said:

And what the regime do its people isn't deserving of being considered "axis of evil"?

Last I remember there are people all around the world saying USA is the source of evil. Hugo Chavez and Maduro did and do weekly pronouncements in that regard, most my teachers that were left wing would do the same and I guess this is quite well spread.

Your teacher and Maduro aren't starting war every 5  years though, the US does.

NK is a nationalistic-communist dictatorship but it is acting against a perceived threat. They have US troops at their borders and have seen what happened to Iraq and Libya.

So we shift the goal posts to do that only threatens from USA count, ok.

Have they been acting against a perceived threat for the past 60 years? And aren't they a perceived threat to other countries? And yet SK haven't launched nukes over their sky "to test" their power.