Hiku said:
JakDaSnack said:
6.) I'm sorry, what was the point of your comment? lol
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1.) Twice I believe. And don't strawman the argument. I didn't say it's not ok to question the source. Daenerys is free to do that.
I wouldn't have any complaints if she did because she knows that her source was a magical unconventional one. The issue is that Jon asked what's normally a very intimate and innaprpriate question that coincidentally happened to not such an answer.
"I tried many times, but I always had a miscarriage" would have been a very possible response. It was not appropriate for Jon to ask that at this point.
Similar to when Jon, one of the most polite and formal characters in the series, called her "Dany" all of a sudden. That's not great writing. That's out of character, and fanfic material.
2.) Yeah, my thoughts exactly when I watched that scene. It seemed like D&D were only thinking about what Dany would reply, rather than what what someone normally could have replied, from Jon's perspective. And why a person in Jon's position would not ask that question.
3.) Daenerys could get pregnant in the books without discrediting the witch as an unreliable source. That's a dumb way to go about it. And if there's enough supporting evidence, it's not a major assumption. Just in the past two-three episodes, Tyrion brought up the question of succession. Jorah told Jon to pass Longclaw down to his children. And now Jon suggests that maybe she can get pregnant after all, shortly before he has sex with her.
When you say it's good writing, I'm not going to wait two years to point out when it is not, or when it may not be.
Whether she ends up pregnant or not, Jon asking her about such intimate details, and calling her Dany, was out of character. And if she does because "the witch was just wrong", that's shitty writing.
4.) Speaking of major assumptions though, what evidence supports that Targaryen rule on the iron throne has "nothing to do with the wheel"? "You once spoke to me of breaking the wheel. Aegon built the wheel."
Aegon is obviously refering to Aegon the Conqueror. Otherwise they would specify which one they were refering to. He was the first king of the seven kingdoms. He created that system. The wheel probably refers to the iron throne ruling system supported by the major houses of the seven kingdoms that push the wheel forward.
5.) Asha was reportedly renamed Yara to avoid confusion with the wildling Osha. Jon was not named Aegon to avoid any such confusion.
6.) To have a proper discussion about the writing.
Unlike that comment of yours, which is obviously just flamebait, because you know exactly what the point was.
Childish provocation attempts and adding "lol" every other sentence only makes it look like you don't have confidence in your arguments to speak for themselves. Which is why I stopped doing that when I was 14. <-- Example: I could have added an "lol" here.
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1) I didn't strawman the argument, you should look up the definition before making the claim.
2) What is a sensitive and a personal question depends on the person/culture, Dany brought up the topic giving Jon permission to ask her the question. If he brought it up himself then maybe I might see your point of view, but given the situation there is no way that was offensive.
3) The witch didn't make her barren in the show, so frankly they could have just left it out. Either way, I will gladly reevaluate my position when and if she does indeed have a child both in the books and tv.
4) Your entire argument is that the wheel will no longer be broken because Dany fancy's Jon. You are judging an episode based on what might happen in the future. Chances are he may call it off once he finds out he's a targaryen.
5) We don't know Jon's true name in the books, so it could literally be the exact same situation.
6) I did not provoke you, you took offense to the term "lol". I say lol for various reasons, but rarely to provoke. I couldn't for the life of me understand how you could take so much offense to one line(still don't). I also did not understand the whole point of your statement. I see now that you bolded the word "writing", which I initially missed. But even then, you are saying that the writing of the whole 81 minutes of television was bad because of one simple line.
So no, it was not flamebait, nor was I being childish. Though you were quick to make that accusation.
