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Xxain on 25 August 2017
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IkePoR said:
Xxain said:

That's the point I was making with B and C; there was no points. Hell, there is not even a real point to your A, but at least it had some substance. Ultimately you were the only thing left!  Ironic you bring up a strawman argument. 

What does it matter if the game is built around it or adds it as event? A crossover is crossover and its gonna treated the same way. Its for fans of each of the eproperties to enjoy. If you dont like Marvel or CAPCOM then you probably dont give shits about Infinite. Just like if you could give a damn about Assassins Creed then this DLC means nothing to you. Hell I dont give a shit about Assassin Creed, but what about people who do? I probably wont even bother with it but SE aren't wrong/confused/lost because they're partnering with a another popular IP for a event that I dont have to bother with. 

I wanna look at your ridiculous DLC claim. I know you dont really feel this way. If we have a FF15 fan that plated FF15 months ago, sees this DLC as also an Assassin Creed fan or just somebody who thought it looked interesting, decides to turn on the game again, hasnt the DLC done its job? Hasn't the DLC justified its own existence? When Street Fighter V or Tekken 7 or Dead or Alive add "free throwaway" costumes packs, What justify their existence? That people DLed and enjoyed them, not some whiny FF15 players who didnt get what they wanted out of the games plot or people who cant get over the fact Nomura never got VS past a concept, or its not turnbased.

That is the general attitude of the "We dont like FF15 crowd". Look at your previous paragraph. It amounts to "Its ok other franchises do irrelevant crossover because I like their last games". Who here is decides if FF is safe hands?  

FF Dissida has nothing but praise.

FF14 is considered to a top tier MMO. Nothing but praise.

FFX and Xll remasters, nothing but praise

FF7R is highly anticipated 

Your not the center of the world. No red carpets for you. There are people who like 15 and those that dont. What will decide the direction of the franchise is reception to everything 15 is doing. The we dont like 15 crowd complaints have fallen deaf ears.

AKA your losing.

Haha, love the little jab at the end there.  Couldn't just be civil, eh?  You're so intimidating.

And I fixed your little type-o about Dissida.  I understand, you were frothing at the mouth to make this response.

Anyway - I love how we dance around all the atrocities SE have been producing in the series.  Not just remakes and spin offs, mainline games.  Like Final Fantasy XIII - the one just about everyone hates.  The one where where you can't yell people down with entitled arguments like "there's no turn based battles, GET OVER IT", because the story and characters are complete and total shit to near objectivity.  And you know, you're right actually.  Our voices DID fall on deaf ears!  Because they made two more of these awful blights on gaming.  Three games where they had no idea what they were doing with, not only Final Fantasy, but this joke of a trilogy that was seemingly storyboarded AFTER they made all the eye-fucking graphics.  But back to this trainwreck of a game later.

Then there's Final Fantasy XIV.  You know, the original.  The bollocks one that everyone hated, the one that Square-Enix has tried to make everyone forget about(to great result if your cherry picking is to be cited).  

Then there's Final Fantasy XV - the big 10 year kahuna. The game that took 10 years because - what do you know - SE didn't know what the fuck they were doing with Final Fantasy. The game that turned out to be alright if you like weird Kingdom Hearts battle systems but slowed down for old men.  Yet still, even with it being pretty solid, there's a ton of people talking about the issues the game has.  And you know what? This happened:

http://time.com/4713709/final-fantasy-xv-update/

So, there's my red carpet. Maybe SE does listen to fans after all?  And there are people that can't get over that Final Fantasy isn't turn based anymore - but according to SE:

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/31/bravely-defaults-success-west-making-square-enix-rethink-jrpgs/

And apropos if nothing:

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/63395/bravely-default-flying-fairy/

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=lightning+returns

Bravely Default did better on one console than a Final Fantasy on two.  And thank whatever god you like that it did, because we got games like FFXIV Reborn and XV and there's no way you're going to argue those games are better for FFXIII trilogy's existence.  No, XIV and XV are the antithesis of XIII because of the all the backlash and trashing that trilogy got.  Can you imagine if SE weren't listening?  You'd have more Lightning styled characters and Fal'ce bullshit stories.

I think Square-Enix's ears are very much capable of hearing, it's just a matter of if they're letting their art departments run the show or they're actually making an effort.  They can make some decent to good games if they try, but as far as Final Fantasy is concerned it's heart and soul left with Sakaguchi.  Final Fantasy is purely a product to make mass amountse integrity of money - th of it as art is long gone.  

(And before you say it,  I'm aware companies exist to make money. But terrorists exist to incite terror, do we give them a free pass because they exist to do it?)

Your not doing any better.

A. The idea that everybody hates Final Fantasy 13 is just something you made up to justify.  You already know this though, because you recongnize that Final Fantasy 13 ended as ... a trilogy; not just a trilogy but one that collectively sold over 12 million. I want you to explain to me at how Xlll was able to sell an extra 4 million copies an sequels if everybody hated the game? How is that possible? 

Becuase not everybody hated Final Fantasy Xlll.

B. Why even bring up the original version of XlV? What is the point? Sqaure Enix worked tooth and nail to turn a disasterous game into what is considered to be excellent MMO. Since the Reborn update and all of its post content has been released I have not heard anything but good shit about XIV. Wada stepped down (was fired) and a public apology about the state of games under his leadershp given. Why would anybody be carrying luggage about something long rectified? You need to let go man.

The rest of you stuff just is just blah.

1. Very Ironic, that you bring up Bravely Default. A lot of people didnt like the plot or the retitive nature of game...hmmmm?

2. Why compare Bravely Default to the second sequel of a mainline Final Fantasy game? The sequels NEVER sell anywhere near the main game. They end selling half as much give or take. Not only is Lightning Returns the SECOND sequel to Xlll it also has the circumstance of coming out AFTER the PS4 was released! Eveybody had moved on to next gen. You pumped up by a 50k difference? Seriously?

 They can make some decent to good games if they try, but as far as Final Fantasy is concerned it's heart and soul left with Sakaguchi.  Final Fantasy is purely a product to make mass amountse integrity of money - th of it as art is long gone

They got your money and they keep getting it  looong after Sakaguchi left. You gotta know how counter productive this statement is.

 

You are passionate about Final Fantasy. You are also selfish about it. You must recongnize that you are sharing a passion for a  franchise along with millions others. I would love another game like Final Fanatsy 12, but there are fans that hated Final Fantasy 12. If Final Fantays 15 updates dont interest you then move. If Final Fantasy in general doesnt interest you then move on.