What games will MS market with XboneX now that Crackdown 3 is delayed?

[Tulipanzo]

Machiavellian said:

Tulipanzo said:

Except, you didn't! You brought up the PS3 and WiiU to supposedly shoot me down for saying that full fledged successor sell better than stop gap solutions.
You did this while wilfully ignoring that the PS3 actually beat the 360 in sales.
If you want to make a point, fine, but don't try and change what you said after the fact.

As per your second point: this isn't a discussion about whether or not either of us likes the concept of the xboxx; that is irrelevant.
I've been saying this since the beginning: MS aggressive marketing for the X lead to the sales for the S tanking, meaning they now need the X to pick up the pace. I find that unlikely, due to pricing, lack of titles and them appealing exclusively to their core audience while ignoring everyone else.
These are points you yourself make: it's not a mainstream console, but it needs to be since the S tanked.

My "predictions" they came in direct response to your ramblings about how the X might be in an advantageous position next-gen; a guess, since you provided no data or trends to support it.
The XBox brand is unbelievably unpopular in most countries, and it's laughable to think people would ever opt for it instead of anything from Sony or Nintendo. I don't see how a system that's "not for the mainstream" would ever change that.

What you're trying to do is to retroactively justify MS poor strategy because you happen to like the X.
I suggest you take your poor excuses and take it to a different topic.

I just told you why I brought them up.  Trying to tell me what I was thinking because that is what you thought well is wrong.  As for the PS3 beating the 360 in sales, what did Sony have to do to achieve that goal.  They had to lose every drop of profits they made from the PS2 era in order to do that.  So yes, they may have won the market share but if you have to go into the red to do so, would any company feel that is an achievement.  Either way, was the PS3 a success or not.  Do you believe killing all you profits for marketshare a success.

Your opinion on the X1X tanking sales on the S is exactly that an opinion.  If anything is tanking S sales it's the PS4 being the better console.  If the X1X at 500 bones is tanking the S then that would mean the X1X is going to sale pretty damn good which I doubt at this time.

 As to your last point, well of course my prediction that the X1X could be a better option when Sony and MS drop their next console is exactly that a prediction.  How the heck would I have proof of something that did not occur yet.  Never said it was fact and its very clear this is an opinion since it never happen before.  Why you seem to be getting riled up over opinions seems strange.

I am not trying to retroactively do anything, it's an opinion.  You nor I have any data to back up anything we have argued in this discussion.  It's  my opinion and pretty much it.  If anything, by your comments you believe your opinion is somehow superior when you have nothing to back up your suggestion as well.  You seem to hold your opinion as fact or something which is the only way I can see why you are getting an attitude when someone disagree.  If it’s a problem someone having a different opinion then yours, I suggest you do not share it if it is going to cause you to get upset.

"if your prediction [that full next gen upgrades sell better] was true then the WiiU and PS3 would have been run away success if each company hand only to just make a console and people would buy it"
vs.
"I bring up the WiiU and PS3 because corporations no matter how long being in the market can make mistakes"

You didn't mention these consoles as mistakes in your first post, but as two supposedly poor selling, full next gen upgrades. 
You moved on to a different point when your first one was shot down, and are now yet again moving on to talk about profits.

Now, I've explained numerous times why I believe what I say, but the best you could come up with is to try and paint me as "upset" over "just opinions", since you've had nothing to back yours up.
Sales for the S have significantly lost steam over the past year; if Sony had similar losses, I'd ascribe it to something that affected both; say the Switch launching. If this were not a recent development, you could ascribe it to the PS4 being a more popular system.
However only MS seems to be affected, and only in the past year of so have sales lowered significantly.
The only major change affecting only MS in the past year has been their aggressive marketing for the X, which featured prominently at two of the company's biggest events. It stands to reason that would affect S sales, as it would paint it as undesirable.
S sales going down is not my opinion, it is data you yourself can see, yet you fail to provide a sensible explanation.
If, as you say, it's because the PS4 is a "better console" (you fail to provide a metric for this "better") this would not be a recent development YoY.
Your explanation is faulty.

That full fledged hardware upgrades sell better than mid-gen upgrades is not, again, my opinion: it's a recognizable and predictable trend.
The Pro hasn't sold in line with the base PS4, the New 3DS hasn't sold in line with the base 3DS, years after it's launch, and the X won't sell in line with the S.
My prediction is that these trends will continue; your prediction is that they will suddenly and unexplicably change.
It would take an unprecedented surge in sales for mid-gen hardware to make up for the significantly lower sales during their first years.
Your "prediction" amounts to little more than wishful thinking, backed by no data.

I suggest you stop projecting "being upset" onto people, and start backing up what you say with data and clear reasoning.