| jason1637 said: |
"So what you just said is that its impressive but not impressive as a whole but its impressive for the series and not for xbox but not that impressive for the series..."
Oh boy. You're going to use another argument based on wording and not sales. Ok, look. It's easy to make anything sound confusing when you make 10 replies in a row about one word someone used, and then just take all those replies and add them together. If this is for comedic humor , it's not funny , and if it's a point then it's embarrassing. I'll just put it this way, for an exclusive it' not that impressive, for the series it's somewhat impressive but not that surprising. There, those that make sense?
"I did address why the sales could be on the decline. Personally i think it's judgment, new dev's, new cast. Not sure what Halo has do with it."
Yes...which is what I was literally telling you not to do? This entire discussion has been about how Xbox games either flop, or sell mediocrely. I don't care why they don't sell well, we're not discussing that. .. you seem to think that Gears will hit 6 mil so tell me why, instead of why it's selling meh as of now. Also I was pretty skeptical about Gears 4 because of 343, I don't trust Microsoft's studios and to be honest I think Gears 4 advertising was terrible, so much of their campaign footage was uninspired enemies and scripted events.
"Its not misleading because most people that open up a game are actually going to play it and even if someone plays it for a day or two every month they are still playing the game and are an active user so its important to count these players. The thing is that we dont have access to the exact statistics of how many people are playing now or how many people are playing every motnh all we can do is go of what we know about the MAU."
Jesus christ, really? I literally said in my last response my main point had nothing to do with whether the people go past the main menu. It was just some food for thought that, you can literally start Halo 5 and be a Monthly Active User. And now you're going to respond to that every reply just like the mediocre thing right? And it is incredibly misleading - you are not an "ACTIVE USER" if you play one or two days in a 30-31 day period. That's why Monthly Active User is such a stupid measurement - it tells us nothing about engagement statistics. I can't believe you are literally pretending like it's not misleading, when 343 pulled a PR stunt, got called out for it, admitted the stats weren't comparable after community backlash, and then failed to mention Reach to try to make 5 seem impressive. Like, what? The company practically admitted it was misleading after being called out for it and you're saying it isn't? It doesn't even matter if you think it's personally misleading, because the point is Halo's popularity which is still on the decline. It is doing better than 4, but as someone who played 4 for about two years after it came out ... that's really not saying a lot.
"I went with the 5 million in a year because to be honest i dont see splatoon selling more than that during its first year. Splatoon on a 13.9 million install base only managed to sell 4.8million."
"Splatoon on a 13.9 million install base only managed to sell 4.8million"
"Splatoon on a 13.9 million install base only managed to sell 4.8million"
"Splatoon on a 13.9 million install base only managed to sell 4.8million"
Halo 5 = 6 million / 30 million = 20%
Halo 5 = 7 million / 30 million = 23.3333%
Halo 5 = 8 million / 30 million = 26.66666666666666666666666666666666666666667%
Splatoon = 4.8 - 5 - 5.5 million / 13.9 = 34% or 35% or 39%
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from re-al-ity!!!
In all seriousness, it's hard to know how well Splatoon 2 will sell. I think if it has ~average Nintendo legs~ it will outsell Halo 5's total lifetime sales(and probably in much less time). if it turns out that Splatoon 2 has even better legs than your average Nintendo franchise, then it could pass Halo 5's total lifetime sales in just 6 months. We really don't know. I don't want to assume that Splatoon 2 will expand massively as more people buy Switch's, because a lot of the times platform size is disconnected from the market share of a game, but I think it's very likely that that is true and Splatoon 2 will get amazing legs with more Switch sales. I think something that's worth mentioning is that even if Splatoon 2 doesn't hit 5 million in 3 months - it will still probably outsell Halo 5's lifetime sales much faster because Halo 5 launched around holidays. I think it's fair to say Splatoon 2 will sell like 3.5 million in it's first 3 months. Splatoon 2 released late July, Halo released in late October. How much more will it sell holiday? My guess is quite a bit. I think it will almost, or will, outsell Halo 5's lifetime sales by the end of the holiday. It's legs after that are debatable. When your sales before the holiday are this good, the ketchup game seems like it will be quite easy.
" Looking at aligned FIFA sales FIFA 15 on XBO outsold FIFA 06 on 360, FIFA 16 on XBO outsold FIFA 07 on 360, FIFA 17 outsold FIFA 08 on the 360."
So you moved your goal post from fifa has sold better on Xbox One compared to 360 to this title and this title sold better compared to the old versions on the 360? Uh .... ok? Well both Fifa and Xbox are even more established than they were in the 360 era. I dont really see your point here? All your showing me is that Fifa is becoming more popular as a series, I don't know how I should clap for Xbox in that regard, but to be fair it's a good point. Although this is all kind of pointless because I never mentioned fifa and I even said the best selling Fifa on Xbox One might have outsold Fifa on X360 anyways including digital. I'm still confused why you included Madden and Fifa, two games that reallly have very little place in this discussion, but that is a nice catch and actually is a good point.
" was just looking at the sales objectively.. "
No you weren't. I was comparing PS4 Battlefield to Halo. Not the Xbox One titles. Maybe I should have clarified better, but it shouldn't have been hard to figure out considering I was comparing 360 BF numbers to modern Halo.
"BF1 sold so well because it came out on a bigger install base and it got $300 at launch while Halo 5 got a $500 LE bundle."
And Master Chief collection was mass bundled for about two years in a 400 bundle to 300 bundle? I don't really see your point about the "bigger install base". It doesn't matter, because so many Halo bundles were sold to make that install base in the first place. But install base is just an overall bad argument anyways, which is why i'm trying to be fair with Splatoon 2, cause we really dont' know how that will transpire.
"I'm curious to know why you think Battlefield will have a higher digital attach rate than halo?"
I don't necessarily think it does but in my mind, if BF1 sold as much as Halo 5 physically in a year less that's much more sales in a shorter time frame. Which makes me assume that Battlefield on Xbox possibly has a bigger market on Xbox than Halo does, thus more sales. It's just a possibility though and I think it's very likely that they have a similar digital attach rate, if total sales of BF1 end up being the same as Halo 5 I wouldn't be surprised, because a Halo title lasts 3-4 years and a BF title lasts 2(or 1 if you play Battlefront like BF)again though I never really focused on the Xbox version of BF..
