Senator John McCain casts deciding vote against "Skinny Repeal"

[DonFerrari]

Hiku said:

DonFerrari said:

Yes. And we shall not decide someone is like a saint because we don't have access to more information.

But the point wasn't even talking about Bernie, whom would destroy the country if his socialistics ideas were implemented, but about thinking that banning corporate financing to politicians would make all better.

Why would you think a company donating money wants politicians to do illegal things and people donating money wouldn't want favors as well?

Not treating anyone as a saint. But there's no point in throwing baseless accusation.
The only thing politicians can do to avoid being bought by corporations is to not accept corporate or pac donations, and that's what he has been doing as far as I can tell. The point wasn't to talk about Bernie or how his socialistic ideas (single payer healthcare) would help the country like every other modern first world nation where living standards are higher than USA's. But he is the most well known example in US politics when it comes to avoiding corporate donations for over 30 years.

I don't know what you mean by illegal things? The votes the bribed politicians cast are legal in the US. But they are not in the interest of the American people. They are in the interest of the corporations finances. USA spends 2-3 times more on healthcare than the U.K. per capita/person. But they get a lot less in return. Why? If they spend 2-3 times more per person than the UK, and the UK guarantees healthcare to everyone, why isn't USA guaranteeing healthcare to their sitizens when they spend that much more per person?
Because what differs USA from pretty much every other country is that a much larger portion of those spending goes towards corporate profit, instead of to the people. And there are two reasons for this. One is because political bribes from corporations are legal in the US. And the other reason is because many years ago they passed a law that forbids the US government from negotiating drug prices with pharma companies.
Because of that, you can buy the same US manufactured medicine, from Canada (after it has been exported to Canada from USA) for up to 5 times cheaper than if you buy it in USA. That's ridiculous. Drug prices go up every year in the US, because the goverment can't negotiate the prices.

A single corporation can donate a large amount of money and expect a politician to vote in their favor.
A single small donor cannot, because there's a limit to how much a small donor can donate, and it's not going to be worth a huge favor like a vote.
However, if many small donors want the same thing and make their voices heard, the politician could grant their wish. That's not a bad thing because then you are working for the people, and the ones who voted you in, or helped to donate to your cause. But when you vote for pharma companies, they are never in the interest of the common people.

Bribing the voters with promises based on taxpayers money is good then?

yes a law forbiding negotiation is a bad thing and government "taking care" to things is exactaly what enables most of it. A single body negotiating hundred billions dollars that can be used to buy not what is better to all, but what is more interesting to them is the problem. Socialist and the like fail to notice this exact point. You'll complain about politics being corrupt but then will say you want government to be even bigger. Or say corporations are greedy or that they explore their employees while their margins are like 10% and the government taxes on the people is 40%. Who is the real gready explorer?

Open the accountability of the to health companies in USA and see if their profit margins are 3x higher than other places.

Again. individual contributions solve nothing as they can mask all donations with proxy donors.

Public domations are better than secret ones because you know they are hapening. And that is why lobby was made legal.

andrewclear said:

DonFerrari said:

Yes. And we shall not decide someone is like a saint because we don't have access to more information.

But the point wasn't even talking about Bernie, whom would destroy the country if his socialistics ideas were implemented, but about thinking that banning corporate financing to politicians would make all better.

Why would you think a company donating money wants politicians to do illegal things and people donating money wouldn't want favors as well?

Isn't as well give up on this guy, he bought the propaganda hooks, line, and sinker.  We also know what PACs gave Bernie money, he just never paid attention to that data, https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000528

 

Also, he only talks bad about donations from big corporations, and Republicans mainly.  He doesn't talk bad about donations from special interests groups (which are big business in this country), government organizations (which soils the be allowed to donate to a party), unions, etc.  Hell, he doesn't even realize that big corporations donate to the Democrats as well.  The lack of critical thinking in this country is amazing.  The propaganda from the Democrats is also amazing, in that all these people buy that crap, and never actually research or think why a lot of it is either false, or only half true,

We all know the hypocrisy of the rich leftwingers.

Cerebralbore101 said:

Errorist76 said:

Problem are your rip-off Pharma companies...prices for medicine in the US are out of control. 

Yeah, we really just need price regulation in the U.S. But all the politicians are in the pocketbooks of corperations so it won't happen. 

You don't need it. Will give you two very good examples of how much good rice regulation does... Brazil during 80's and early 90's and Venezuela of now... do you know what happens when government force or freeze prices? The products stop being made.

Errorist76 said:

Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah, we really just need price regulation in the U.S. But all the politicians are in the pocketbooks of corperations so it won't happen. 

Yah, you know as earlier in this thread people will label it as 'communist' and unrealistic socialist ideas anyway, even though the most developed countries on this planet with the highest standard of life use such a system.

You mean the ones on verge of bankrucy and that are less than 10% the size of USA?