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Turkish on 27 July 2017
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potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

"I'm not treating upscaling as anything special"

Yes you do. You've been treating it nothing but a holy alien like technology that is so complex that only the company behind Framemeister can get right, because they have patents and exclusive IP. You've been dismissing the fact Sony can just as well make their own upscaler, or update their old one, because they will cost Sony tons of money.

Your assumptions are based on nothing. You just think they cant do it because you are misguided. Sony can make a cheaper and better upscaler than a small company can ever do. The only reason it didn't happen yet is because Sony hasn't decided yet to make a PS1 Classic like I suggested.

Seriously, I dunno what you tried to achieve with your long winded wall of texts posts at me. I only proposed what Sony should sell me in the OP, you basically spent all this time telling me why I shan't dare propose the concept because the other company has Holy Upscaler and Sony doesn't. Also try to actually convince me why they can't do it instead of asking me useless questions like "why shud Sony ever make this? it costs money!" Yawn you might as well ask why is Sony making games? It costs money! Why did they enter the VR business, it's niche!

No I'm not. I'm treating it as a software/hardware development problem and considering what you need to consider when developing a potential solution. I never said that Framemeister has some magic abilities Sony doesn't. Sony can indeed make their own upscaler as they have in the past. In fact Sony might already have the solution that framemeister has already built, but can't/won't put it into systems because of licesning issues. For all I know Framemeister is licening their upscaling technology from Sony! I have no idea, and I don't care to find out. I simply mentioned that there are plenty of potential issues, both technical and non-technical as to why Sony might not be able to or willing to pull off what Framemeister has apprently pulled off and you shouldn't dismiss them. It's simply not as cut and dry as you imagine it to be. You've blown that out of proportion to accuse me of acting like Framemeister are magicians or something.  Until this thread I have never heard of Framemeister and I don't even know what they make besides "the perfect upscaler" according to you.

But again, Sony isn't going to bother. Their upscaling solutions are good enough as they are and don't need to be improved for your sake.

Go ahead, list one assumption I'm making about Sony's upscaling technologies and capabilites. Just name one.

I won't convince why they technically can't make the device you suggested because I don't know of any reason why they technically can't. BUT that doesn't mean they technically can either, and I've listed many potential reasons why. It also doesn't mean they can for the price you suggested, and also it doesn't mean they would bother doing it in the first place. Sony is in the business of making money. it's obvious to anyone with their finger on the pulse that making the PS1 version of the NES classic without the ability to read discs, without PSN connectivity, without being region free will be far, far more profitable for them then making a device that does even if it was only $40-$60 more expensive. That's not rocket science. Because of that, Sony is never going to make the device you want them to make because they literally have no reason to.

Besides you. Just go buy your little upscaling box, wipe the tears of shatters dreams away, and get over it.

"Go ahead, list one assumption I'm making about Sony's upscaling technologies and capabilites"

"In fact Sony might already have the solution that framemeister has already built, but can't/won't put it into systems because of licesning issues"

One of many assumptions you make. Another one:

"the PS1 version of the NES classic without the ability to read discs, without PSN connectivity, without being region free will be far, far more profitable for them then making a device that does even if it was only $40-$60 more expensive"

Wrong. A modern HDMI enabled PS1, online connected, Sony with their means can make this thing cheap. PS1's library is so vast, a simple preloaded console is never gonna cut it. There have to be so many 3rd parties involved to make the console attractive, unlike Nintendo. With so many 3rd parties to license, even their Crash games, I doubt they'd make a decent profit, than just selling a modern version of their PS1. Making a cheap, toy like preloaded console is not the Sony way, Sony is all about choices, PS1 has over 2,000 games in its library.

I dont really care about all the assumptions you make and the potential difficulties they may have, you don't know anything. Of course there will be difficulties, are you seriously gonna tell me there will be hurdles along the way when developing a product. "Sony wants to make money", yeah they do that all the time by bringing out new products on the market. I'm so happy you lowered the discussion to business 101 trying to illustrate why Sony can't put a world class upscaler in a retro console.