NYT : "Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign"

[epicurean]

Machiavellian said:

epicurean said:

What makes you think they were going to have to "pay" for anything? I don't see anything in any of the emails, or even anything claimed by the Times, that any compensation - money or otherwise - is involved. 

I understand your further logic - I just don't agree with it. The Times, CNN, the Post, and others have been digging for over 6 months non-stop looking for info, and this is the biggest thing they've found (with the help of inside sources that are willing to leak literally everything he does). I just don't think the Russia story is going to get the Dems the endgame they want - impeachment - because I don't think there's enough there, unless they find a technicality (though that wouldn't suprise me).

I think there's probably other things he's done/said that would severly damage him, and I wish news outlets would stop with what thusfar has been a "nothing burger" and damage him for things that are more apparent and obvious.

When the last time someone was willing to give you something for nothing.  Why would this lawyer go on about the adoption stuff if that was not the agenda.  It's the information that Trump Jr gives out that he thinks is no big deal that reveals the payout.  If you really think about it, you should be very surprised they even got this info.  Just think about it, how did this email get leaked.  An email as damaging as this, released at a time like this not being purged from their system seems very suspect.  You go on about how many months these sites has been digging for dirt as if there is a time limit on such things.  Dirt get release when its convenient for interested parties to throw a broadside shot.  This is that broadside shot.  There isn't enough here to do anything but raise a lot of questions where a lawyer will probably wiggle Trump Jr out but you can believe this is a shot directly at Trump himself saying pay up or find your family in jeopardy.

My problem is that you are way to quick to throw away intent as if it means nothing.  Read the emails and you will see that from those emails there is definitely intent to collude with Russia for information on Clinton.  The key is that this type of information puts Trump Jr in jeopardy more than his Papa.  If Trump loves his son so much he got the wake-up call this leak intended.  You think this is all about Dems getting Trump impeached.  That is just one part of the story.  This is about getting Trump to pony up his part of the deal and every time he keeps waffling more like leaks like these will find their way into news site hands.  At the end of the day there will be a fall guy, it’s a matter of who that person will be.  My money is on Trump Jr taking the fall for his dad but we will see.

It wouldn't be for nothing - they ("The Russians") - didn't want Clinton to win. I think it's likely that simple. I mean, you can certainly believe this grand scheme in your head that Trump has things to pay off to the Russian gov't - but there's nothing that indicates this. 

Personally - I totally believe that the Russians wanted Trump to win, and that they did things on their own to try and make that happen. Just like other governments all over the world did what they could to get their candidate of choice elected in the US. Just like the US have done in dozens (hundreds) of elections around the world (Obama even commented on what we hoped for in Syria years ago).  I think they (The Russians) did it for their own gains - Clinton was super close to the Ukranians and wanted a no-fly zone in Syria, which would've caused major problems for them.  I just don't think there was any "collusion" by the Trump team any more than every nominee tries to get as much info as possible on thier opponent. I CERTAINLY (at this point) think Trump has made any promises to do things for the Russians because they have dirt on him or he "owes" them something. I still think Trump is slimy and probably has done some illegal things - I just think the Russia narrative is bogus.

But who knows, I could be proven wrong. I'm wrong a lot. *shrug*