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Nem on 05 July 2017
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o_O.Q said:
Nem said:

Oh boy... Yes, that is the point! Morality comes from our empathy, wich isn't our number one priority. We make morality, our genes make morality, our will to survive and propagate give us morality, not some magical entity in the clouds.

lol we've just gone through how it does not

morality is not selective with regards to social groupings... we generally say that morality is the correct treatment of ALL people

you just admitted that empathy on the other hand tends to cause us to treat our preffered social grouping better than other social groupings

...jesus, its either that you don't get what morality is or you don't get what empathy is... or maybe both

Ok, i see your issue. Empathy does not equal morality, as you are concluding. I said morality comes from empathy. What empathy dictates moral is given by our hormone good feelings that reinforce actions towards survival and propagation.

The correct treatment of ALL is therefore one such "good feeling". These "good feelings", as i mentioned before aren't on and off switches. They can be 10% on, 30% on, 70% on etc based on how personal the situation is for you and how empathic you are.

o_O.Q said:

 

the other thing is that morality does not come from genes, it comes from determining the best practices for man and distributing that information to the community in some way

that is, it comes from reasoning not internal biological systems

Got your little edit here.

So... how does one decide "best practices"?

Reasoning... ok, i guess i must explain certain things. Ok, i mentioned the good feelings. Your consciousness has the power to override that. But that is ultimately what will make you feel good and you will decide is the right thing to do. Calling it just from the biological systems is making it sound like it's taking a leak. Not exctly the same. You actively think about these. They are complex decisions.

From this same place instead of morality you may also have greed. Does god create greed aswell? :x I guess that one is conveniently shoved by the "devil". ^^

You know... i think i'm gonna make this really easy for you. Morality does not exist without us. It is what we make it. Yes, "We", real beeings, humans. If it wasn't, there would make no sense for there to be dissonance between what we think is moral and what is in the bibble or other books that endorse things like beatings and slavery. Those things weren't seen as immoral in that time.