o_O.Q said:
Nem said:
Morality isn't your highest concern in survival. Its just one of them. Theres others that are more important. Only when those are satisfied do you concern yourself with it (or if its to ensure other primary needs). Rather than destroying, i would say its prioritising.
Are you trying to tell me it isn't that way? When the bully on the school attacks a kid and the other kids are cheering. Why do you think they cheer? The kid that gets in the way sometimes and stops them also had an interest.
We are not the altruistic people you think we are. Altruism, empathy... those are things that comes to us later after our most basic necessities are ensured, or in order to ensure them. It propagates more in the current (mostly safe) society we built for ourselves.
Tomorrow if an apocalypse were to happen, you can be sure we would go back to the rule of the strongest and band up in tribes. It's what we are. Religion was created as a defense mechanism for societies to not fall in chaos since policing them effectively was impossible. Also, because it made it easier to make empty promises so people would be motivated soldiers in war.
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"Morality isn't your highest concern in survival"
jesus christ i didn't say it was
"We are not the altruistic people you think we are"
lmao is this not the point i was trying to impress upon you? are you being serious right now?
"Tomorrow if an apocalypse were to happen, you can be sure we would go back to the rule of the strongest and band up in tribes. It's what we are."
exactly and i never claimed otherwise in fact this was at the base of my argument
well at least its good that you've stopped doing the whole "our empathy makes us moral" thing
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Oh boy... Yes, that is the point! Morality comes from our empathy, wich isn't our number one priority. We make morality, our genes make morality, our will to survive and propagate give us morality, not some magical entity in the clouds.
Morality is simply a set of feelings triggered by our hormones by giving us a good feeling because it's beneficial for our survival. We are animals. Nothing about us is magical. If we could map the brain and what ticks it, we would be able to make life forms just like us. Would that make us gods?
