Doe it really matter if God exists or not...?

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o_O.Q said:

CartBlanche said:

I think you'll find there is no way for the morality of a so called god to be objective, because the information emparted is done so via humans who are incapable of being truely 100% objective. Until a god (take your pick from the millions that exist and used to exist) speaks directly to a computer and that information is transcribed directly for the masses, there is no objective morality!! Even then once a human reads the "message" it ceases to be objective as it would be subject to each person's world view.

 

that's why people have made observations for ages about what behavior is most favourable for man (is this not objective?)

and they took that knowledge and encoded it into stories for digestion by everyone... stories that gave these values a significance that transcends the subjective view of man and that is where the concepts of gods cames from

it is the best method devised by man to communicate what values are most favourable to successive generations

 

well if you don't think there's such a thing as objectivity... all i can say is that you are in a lot of trouble

No... that isn't objective.  What is "most favorable" for man is an opinion.  That's why we have had, in secular or religious societies, thousands of different viewpoints on what is best for society.  Even "favorable" is a subjective matter.  Does favorable mean best for reproduction?  Happiness?  Best for only humans?  For the environment?  Animals?  Different cultures value these things in very different measures.

If you're going to claim that these stories are the best way man has to transmit values, you'll have to support that with some evidence, because it seems to be a rather shitty way.  There are, figuring very conservatively, well over a thousand different denominations of Christians who despite all using the same text as the basis of their values have reached wildly different conclusions.  To the extent where many of these groups have gone to war over which interpretation is valid.  It's hard to claim that this is a good way to transmit objective morality when the conclusions that are drawn are not at all consistent.

Considering out limited knowledge and predictive powers, I fail to see how you can have objective morality, with or without god or religion.