Cerebralbore101 said:
o_O.Q said:
"Why not just find out what behavioral patterns are more productive, and then teach them directly?"
several reasons - for one as i've said most of these concepts are very complex and, therefore, have to be encoded into stories to convey the meanings in a more effective way
also have you ever disobeyed good advice that was conveyed to you? i'm guessing that's the case since everyone does, however, you'd be more compelled to follow certain advice if that advice transcends your subjective view of the world or is assigned to something that transcends your subjective view of the world
and that's all a god is in this context - something that transends the limited subjective scope humans are plagued with
that's why in the past there were gods for many of the intangible concepts we deal with that appear to be constants such aphrodite for love and ares for war
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In that case I didn't misunderstand anything. Your position is literally that ethics can't be taught without attributing them to a god in a story.
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no, simply that its the best method mankind has been able to devise after all these years we've had civilisation
the fundamental problem is something can't be both objective and subjective at the same time, you have to first acknowledge that fact
this means that something that transcends the subjective view of people is necessary and you can disagree with that, but i can assure you that you won't be able to raise a compelling argument against it
