TheLight said:
The point is that why should we talk about the possible words and nature of God which if he existed would be the most complicated thing you could imagine, if you can't even prove that your own thoughts are valid. You can't prove any basic asmptions that you have scientificly, scientificly it is a fact that qantum mecanics are random, but for the more philosofical qestions you are apealing to your own brain whitch is unreliable. If I could see you in person it might be worth my time to counter your points, like just because something is a emergent property dosen't make it meaningful or more important. You had interesting points, but I knew about every single one because all of them were brought up in the philosopy course I took and the profesor reject each one as an explanation for meaning. The course from The Great Courses "The big questions of Philosopy by David K. Johnson" if you are interested. You seemed to misunderstand a part of every question I asked, but was interesting. The main point is that the why if you can't explain why things are important scientificly how do we convice each other of anything if it is all opinion. If I say that this is pointless and a waste of my time there is no proof that can be brought up to say I am wrong and If I promise that I will leave and never come back to this website and you still reply knowing I won't read it why? I would like to explain theology to you, but that would take a lot loger over the internet than in person and I realy can do much more productive things with my time. So let me simplify it for you God is Goodness and you should do everything for Goodness sake and I know that I will never understand everything about God and that I will never be 100% certain about anything even "I think therfore I am" is not certain, but I belive just as much as I belive in logic that there is a God of Good, Truth and Love that transends our universe or at least these are concepts that have real existance that I can't imagine. This is goodbye forever you will die I will die and we will never hear from each other again. "The universe is forgeting you, and the universe is being forgotten and there is nothing to remember it." Of course unless there is something anything that is the source of meaning that dosen't depend on atoms energy space or time all of whitch will cease to exist. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35"Intereting that jesus was right about that 2000 years ago and atheiests thought the usiverse was eternal at least until farily recently when scientists proved otherwise,but if you choose not to belive in science what can I do, but waste more of my time, whitch I choose not to do. |
If you can't prove your own thoughts are valid, you can't prove anything period, including the existence of a God. Just because David K Johnson rejects some of my answers doesn't mean they are wrong. Philosophy has many viewpoints by many different experts. Mine are no better or worse than anybody elses. I never said that something being an emergent property makes it meaningful or important. People give meaning, purpose, and importance to things. For example science is only meaningful and important if you happen to value science. If you don't, then it isn't important for you. I can't make somebody value science or logic anymore than I can force them to like anchovies on pizza. But of course most people value the truth and being right. And we can show that both science and logic are reliable compasses towards the truth.
I'm not new to philosophy by any means, but I'm going to go and get that course to check it out. If I disagree with some of his ideas I'll post them in this thread. I think there's a bit of a loss in translation between what Johnson says, and what you posted in this thread. Maybe that's why I seemed to misunderstand your questions.
To be honest it's pretty annoying that you're just going to bail on the thread, because you don't want to take the time to rebutt anything I've said. You posted a big long philosophical question, and then asked me to answer it. I did. I gave thoughtful answers, and tried my best not to be a jerk about it. If you're still interested I'd be glad to skype you about it sometime.