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Nem on 30 June 2017
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Aeolus451 said:
Nem said:

It's freedom of speach. You can't just forcibly shut them up. That's fascism. 

Quite honestly what is going on in the US atm and the attack that is beeing made to the media is a fascist attack. I would worry about that.

The difference here is that what people on TV say isn't the truth. Want to force them to tell the truth? Don't give them credit, don't watch them, make fun of them for beeing ridiculous. Like, this kind of thing only happen in the US. In the coutries i've lived in, any ridiculous claims are treated as ridiculous ones. They are pointed and left at and they lose all credibility. Be it polititians or anyone else.

You're using the word fascist a little to loosely there. I think it's completely fine that Trump calls a lot of them fake news and that he defends his character from their attacks by counter attacking them. It's no different than when two people argue and start mud slinging. 

I agree with both sides of the freedom of speech stuff.  You can say what you want including offending people just as long as you don't incite violence or get to the point that you're defaming/slandering someone (has to be provable). I also believe that freedom of speech doesn't protect a person from any the consequences from what they say.  Like losing a job or losing costumers. It's the price of saying something on a platform that's very public or that whatever said managed to become viral.

What most of the US media is doing is not journalism. They are not simply reporting the news. They are acting like youtubers doing reaction vids to someone they don't like. Most of them are acting as a propaganda outlet of a political party or as activists pushing an agenda without any care for accuracy of what they report. I'm fine with any journalist being somewhat biased just as long as they are honest about it and I think that no person can be truly objective with the new but there's a fine line between news and propaganda. 

 

I agree with you except in one point. News outlets are still businesses. The president of the USA is an elected official of the american people, he isn't just a regular citizen. His actions and his reactions incite reactions that can be violent and irrational. That is not the way a responsible and serious person acts.

Compare with the Hillary e-mail scandals where Hillary acted completely neutral to it while beeing investigated. Trump isn't the same. He incites, he inflames. That is a way more serious concern than news outlets beeing biased. 

Though i will say i don't think CNN is biased. I doubt they ever said that president Trump is guilty of colluding with Russia cause theres no deciding evidence. But contacts of his staff warrant questioning and investigating. Trump and his supporters make outright false statements, and that is really the worst.

I'm in the outside and i see both sides. One throws suspicion (cnn/democrats) and the other one outright lies (trump/republicans). I can with full certainty say that Trump's side is in the wrong.