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Paperboy_J said:
I don't know it's complicated. They didn't stick to their original vision even though they swore up and down that it was a true vision of theirs that would not change. Maybe it's what gamers wanted, but it wasn't very artistic in my opinion. I don't know if I can trust a company that would flip-flop that easily under pressure. That alone makes it a failure to me.

Nintendo didn't ditch the Gamepad when the Wii U didn't fly off shelves. They were like hey, we created this thing, so we're going to stick with it. I really respect that.

I don't just look at sales and profits. I look at the whole picture, the whole vision, the whole message they send out with every decision they make. But hey, that's just me.


Different guy in charge, different vision. Wii-U was a lot harder to "change" since they sold the gamepad as hardware where xbox was underpowered but capable enough to fix many of its flaws with just software, wonder what nintendo would have done if they had a desision like that. The support in software from nintendo on the Wii-U was actually rather weak, I would have perfered the support xbox one owners got in the end over what I got on my Wii-U

Anyway, there are many things microsoft and xbox failed at with the Xbox One its original messaging was the worse it can be considered a failture in so many ways but also a success in many others.

Its a hard question but in the end sales so tell a pretty decent story, its failed and succeeded and ended up somewhere in the middle because of it.




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