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fatslob-:O on 27 June 2017
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Pemalite said:


That's my take as well. Frequency seems to be a hard wall that AMD can't push over at the moment, likely a result of being on an inferior process compared to Intel's 14nm.

The architecture should come into it's own now that they know what needs to be improved.

Let's see how Threadripper does with twice the DRAM bandwidth. For professional markets, servers, workstations, compute, super coputers... Sometimes more cores is better than frequency anyway.

It takes more than just the transistor technology itself to drive high frequencies, the logic and physical chip design matters too ... 

Pemalite said:

I would think AMD has gained a big chunk of marketshare with Zen, which hopefully results in some profits... Which they really really need to fund their next adventures and start getting their Radeon group back on track.


I would assume Zen+/Zen 2 would share the same socket, so hopefully they iterate often and substantually.

Software could also start catching up and start being heavier threaded also. I wish dual-cores would die a horrible death already. Some games won't even boot anymore if you only have 2 threads.

Nah, I imagine AMD will only start with peanuts as I think Zen is only originally intended to get customers to trust AMD ... 

I honestly hope Zen 2 doesn't share the same socket as that limits microarchitecture improvements ... (AVX-512, TSX, PCIE 4.0, and IPC)

Plus this, GF will start mass producing chips on wafers with 7nm transistor technology by 2H 2018 so the original Zen will be history by next year so no need for AMD to invest anymore than they have now. AMD and GF should focus on getting high supply for Zen 2 to push large volume sales for the next holiday ... 

AMD's golden years weren't with K7 or Zen, AMD's golden years were with the K8 and most likely Zen 2 since they mark the first time that AMD had truly competitive offerings compared to the competition, if not then superior! 

Intel dual cores are also subpar for the fact that it doesn't even support AVX/AVX2 ... (consoles do support AVX and Intel fusing off AVX from dual cores is another generation of missed opportunities)  

Pemalite said:


Just because Zen was late, doesn't mean Zen+ will be. Seperate teams.


We don't know if Zen+ will be using Global Foundries 7nm anyway. It might continue to use Samsungs 14nm Finfet at Global Foundries or might not use either and use a 12nm process, if Global Foundries tools it up appropriately.

Chances are we will see chips drop before tax time next year. And there is a plethora of reasons for that.
One is to get in-on the OEM upgrade cycle.

That's not what I heard ... 

AMD has a WSA with GF until 2020 so it's almost certain that the next AMD CPUs, APUs, and GPUs will be manufactured by GF ... 

Plus what AMD is getting out of from GF isn't all that bad when they can look forward to the next shrink in the near future and then make the switch to Samsung as their main manufacturer since they have clear plans for 5nm and below ... (I think Samsung is the only one that can truly compete with Intel soon on an even playing ground in terms of transistor technology)