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Ka-pi96 said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

Yeah, because unlike you, I can operate Google

https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/08/13/its-official-the-tv-industry-is-dying.aspx

According to data from The Acumen Report from DEFY Media, 90% of consumers aged 22 to 24 use social media as a top source of video content, 86% of the respondents go with YouTube, and 67% of them consider Netflix to be one of their main video sources. Cable and satellite TV came in fourth position in the survey, with 59% of consumers choosing it as one of their leading sources of video. 

http://adage.com/article/digitalnext/tv-die-stay-tuned/308618/

 

For today: Advertisers are spending, traditional networks are making money and all of this sounds like stuff you've heard before. But we're only talking about timing. Traditional (linear) TV audiences are declining at a significant rate, and they are practically aged out of key demographics. Cable customers are also declining. So, the question is when this shift will make a difference, not if.

http://www.multichannel.com/news/content/tv-ownership-declines-2009/411192

The average number of TVs in homes is on the decline, according to the Department of Energy's U.S. Energy Information Administration's most recent figures, while younger households have higher concentrations of broadband content-access devices.

According to its latest Residential Energy Consumption Survey, there are an average of 2.3 TVs per home in 2015, down from 2.6 in 2009.

 

In addition, a larger share of homes reported not using a TV set at all. In fact, the percentage doubled from 1.3% in 2009 to 2.6% in 2015.

Emphasis is mine. I point this out because someone was claiming "The decline of TV is due to a correction as it rose with HD TV purchases." This is wrong as there are more households without TVs. 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/24/television-sets-dying-accenture-study.html

Instead, more than four out of 10 people said they would rather watch on a laptop or desktop computer, while 13 percent opted for their smartphone. The survey also found just 19 percent of survey takers used their TVs as the go-to device when watching sports games.

U.S. sales of TV sets during the back-to-school period between June and September have fallen 9% to $4.1 billion in the last three years alone, according to market research firm NPD Group. Large-screen TVs comprise much of the ongoing sales, noted Stephen Baker, VP-industry analysis at NPD.
"Sales of smaller-size TVs are declining because people aren't replacing the ones they have with televisions, they're replacing them with mobile devices," Mr. Baker said.
If you looked up for a minute, you'd see that TVs are fading out. The next generation is not buying TVs. As I said before, the iPhone generation is growing up. If they buy games, where do you think they'll gravitate. To play a PS4, you need a TV, and most Millennials don't want to lug it around. They don't need it if they are watching everything on their phone. Or will they buy a Switch which is cheaper than a PS4+TV and fits better into their lives? The new generation is going to want mobility. Sony isn't offering that. And Vue isn't going to save them as everyone is getting into streaming. Sony has shown they aren't able to keep up with other major companies. Apple and Samsung have been kicking their asses for years. Do you really think Sony can get that off the ground? 
I find it funny how everyone who disagreed with my post didn't have any reasons. No one had an argument. Just plug your ears, say LALALALA and hope everything will turn out fine. 

I know how to use google just fine, thanks.

Ok so let's see shall we... firstly you fail to take in to account the fact that the majority of your sources (probably all in fact), are US only and US =/= the world.

Secondly, the majority of your sources are about viewership of traditional TV networks and so are completely irrelevant. Yes, streaming is having a big impact on traditional networks and will almost surely overtake it (if it hasn't already), but people can and do stream youtube, netflix, amazon prime etc to their TVs.

Thirdly, your sources fail to account for the fact that TV sets and computer monitors are for all intents and purposes the same thing. Can people watch traditional TV, stream to and connect video game consoles to their computer monitors? Yes on all accounts. I myself have a computer monitor as my only TV and it works fine for all of that.

So all your data suggests is that A. traditional TV networks are declining. B. people are less likely to own mutliple TVs. And C. tablets etc are more popular with young people.

A is completely irrelevant. And B/C in no way suggest that TVs will be dead by the time that the PS5 releases (2-3 years maybe). It suggests that the number of TVs sold may decline, sure. But something declining doesn't mean it's dying.

Oh and remember that part where I said US =/= the world? Well here's some worldwide data for you...

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan-business/2017/02/04/490785/global-lcd.htm

Sure, that fails to account for non-LCD TVs, which I'd assume is where any decline is, but that still shows a 1.6% increase in sales for LCD TVs.

And of course, there's this "WitsView forecasts that global TV shipments for 2017 will reach 225 million units, up 2.5% compared with the prior year."
http://press.trendforce.com/node/view/2707.html

More growth predicted for this year, huh? Again, that's only referring to LCD TVs. So even if their forecasts are correct there could still be a decline overall. But still, LCD TV shipments still growing really doesn't suggest that they'll be dead within the next couple of years...

First, I love how your impecable argument is freaking 1 percent growth. Oh, but next year its TWO PERCENT. WOW, what amazing numbers. Clearly this industry is growing by leaps and bounds. Nevertheless, you may want to look at why there was an increase. From your article:

 

Shipment growth was attributed to the strong sales in North America's distribution channels during the busy season, the increasing affordability of large TVs and the robust housing market in China, WitsView said in a press statement.

 

WitsView expects TV makers will increasingly focus on developing and promoting higher-margin products such as models featuring large 4K displays. Consequently, the average size of TV sets will expand significantly as well.

 

 

Models sized 50 inches and larger are expected to make up nearly 30 percent of total shipments for this year, while the share of UHD-resolution products in total shipments may reach 31.5 percent.

So you have anemic growth of 1.6 percent driven by purchases of larger TVs and China. This means people aren't buying new TV but they are just upgrading. The fact that the market is focusing on "higher-margin products," tells us that we are seeing the market focus on its best customers rather than reaching new consumers. As I noted with my data, its the younger generation who isn't buying TVs. If you compare this to data showing that TV viewership is declining (this trend is the same in Europe), then you can see market growth is due to buying better sets rather than an increase in penetration.

The worst part? This decline mirrors GPD growth in both the US and Europe. Basically, the TV market, which has declined in previous years, only keeping pace with GPD growth in 2016 and that seems to be driven to selling better sets.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-economic-growth-slowed-in-2016-to-1-9/

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/euro-zone-gdp-hits-05-in-last-quarter-of-2016-beating-estimates-january-inflation-at-18-unemployment-falls.html

And lastly, there is this

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/global-ad-growth-slow-year-tv-sales-drop-first-time-2009-1013366

Digital media has now surpassed linear TV to become the No.1 ad revenue category and will grow 14 percent in 2017 to $204 billion. "Within digital, the majority of advertising sales (54 percent) is now generated by impressions and clicks on mobile devices," the firm said. "Video and social formats will continue to drive digital advertising growth (30 percent or more) while paid search will grow double digit again (13 percent) to remain the #1 format."MAGNA forecasts media owners’ net advertising sales to grow by +3.7% to $505 billion

So where is the growth? It's not in traditional TVs but in mobile. Advertisers are moving there. If TV was this healthy industry as you implied, why are advertisers moving away from it. You missed this because you can't look at the big picture. You saw increased sales figures, didn't read what was written and say "No problem here." You missed what the numbers so plainly told you. You have a growth not from serving new customers but serving core customers. At the same time, advertising and viewership are down. Consumers are moving away from traditional TVs.

"Oh, but what about monitors. You clearly forgot about monitors. See, there is no problem because you can attach your PS4 to a monitor." Yes, because there isn't this platform that can be more powerful than the PS4 Pro, has more games, more variety of controllers and a greater range of prices. Yes, that platform does not exist. 

So let's take this full circle. You have the younger generation ditching TVs and the market catering to its best customers. So which console manufacturer is going to do better. Nintendo, who is focusing on mobile, or Sony who is sticking with traditional TVs. The answer is Nintendo. Sony is becoming a company for middle-aged men (as evidence by their plethora of slow walking games), and that's primarily who will buy these new TVs. Older generations are watching more TV, but the next generation is watching less and having fewer (if any) TVs. Sony won't be able to capture youths. They will have to appeal to an older demographic.  This is why their E3 is a trashfire. They are showing they aren't changing when the market is changing. 



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