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pokoko on 21 June 2017
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Aeolus451 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Oh please, costs for companies have been going down worldwide since the 1980's. Campanies are playing nations against each other to get the best bargain price on their taxes. I've been hammering the point for COMPANIES WHO MAKE PROFIT. Companies that turn losses obviously need to cut somewhere. Indeed the goverment must regulate, but the competition between the countries must stop. This downward spiral is ruining public finances and you have come up with NO solutions except to carry on towards economic ruin. Of course the government shouldn't strongarm companies when it's not necessary, but companies are always in a lower position then the state. If a few companies need to be disowed because they broke their contracts, so be it.

Ford once recieved several million euros in Belgium for them to upgrade their factory. That was a made deal. One year later, Ford packed it's coffers and left abroad. In this case, the state has every right to seize assets since Ford basically stole public money while under contract.

And please, Venezuela is a poor example. Venezuela has a structural economic trade problem, not a problem caused by unionism.

Provide a decent solution, then I'd listen.

That's false. If that was case then they would be making even more money since the keep charging more for the same services. Costs keep rising due to a multitude of things like unions, employee benefits, prices of materials, new taxes/fees, inflation,  etc. It's a fact.  For example, those $15/hr minium wage knuckleheads don't realize they'll lose a lot of jobs if that's implemented because it would increase the cost for businesses by a considerable amount. Mcdonalds would just become automated and everyone would suffer in some sense because of that. I can't imagine what their sandwhiches would taste like if that happened. haha. People need to learn how to be more pragmatic. 

Competition between countries for business. That's never gonna stop and it's a good thing in general. 

I already gave a solution. Just reduce costs for businesses to operate and have employees. It will solve itself. 

Sure it will.  We just have to degenerate our standard of living to match the lowest in the world.  That will certainly solve things.  Of course, that will result in other countries lowering their standards in order to attract businesses, too, so we'd have to downgrade again.  Maybe end up in situations where we are not only getting rid of corporate taxes but are actually paying corporations to stay.

Yeah, in the real world, that's not really an option.  Trump is well aware that doing so isn't nearly enough which is why he has talked about tariffs so often.

It's a capitalist market.  That means countries should leverage their buying power and operate just like multi-national corporations, not just sit and beg for jobs or wait to get used and thrown away.  If a shopping mall can charge companies for doing business in their market-place then a country can do the same.  

You incentivise staying but you also decentivise moving.  That's the only thing that's going to actually work.