In what order should I play the Metroid games?

[MTZehvor]

burninmylight said:

MTZehvor said:

Considering that a solid plurality of the recommendations on this thread have been for original Metroid/Zero Mission, not Super Metroid or Metroid Prime, your claim is more than a little far fetched. Plenty of Metroid fans favor other Metroid titles over Super and Prime, and the vast majority of people are respectful of opinions. I'll certainly grant that you'll find people who are jerks about other's opinions, but they're by no means the majority of a fanbase. I can just as easily link half a dozen or so examples from Zelda boards on other websites where people are equally intolerant of differing opinions like this one.

Also, if you bothered to, y'know, actually read my posts, you would know that I also called the other guy (mZuzek) out for jumping over him for his opinions. I specifically mentioned that "telling someone that they have terrible taste just for liking a game is universally one of the least productive ways of debating ever."

More to the point, however, I never called Jumpin out for liking Metroid 2. Again, if you read my posts in the thread, you should've have seen this quote as well:

"You're welcome to not like SM/Prime/whatever else if you don't want, but the notion that people can't argue that they were best games around at the time is more than a touch ridiculous."

He (Jumpin) was making the argument that you cannot claim that any game past Metroid 2 was one of the best games of the era, and since other people have done that, that's pretty obviously absurd. I never called him out for liking Metroid 2, nor did I tell him his opinion of thinking Metroid 2 is the best Metroid was stupid, or wrong, or anything remotely close to that. I simply claimed that many people consider other Metroid games (most notably Super and Prime) to be examples of games that were the best of their generation.

If you're going to stalk me back to other threads in order to construct an ad hominem attack, the very least you could do is bother to read the entirety of my posts.

OK, what thread have you been reading? Show me the posts that recommend "for original Metroid/Zero Mission, not Super Metroid or Metroid Prime." Not a single posts says anything along the lines of "Play the original Metroid or ZM over SM or MP." If you bothered to, y'know, read the title of the thread and what the OP is asking for like everyone else did, the question wasn't "Which Metroid is the best?" or "Which ONE should I play?". The question is "In which order should I play ALL of them?", so that is the manner in which others are answering. Of course people are recommending that the OP play Metroid/ZM first, because they are chronologically the first game in the series' timeline. Go figure.

As for Zelda's fanbase, what the hell does that have to do with this? Some members of Metroid's fanbase are jerkasses, some members of Zelda's fanbase are jerkasses, some members of Fire Emblem's fanbases are jerkasses, what's your point? Are these all the exact same people? For a guy who seems to be so sharp in other areas, do you really not see the irony of the way you keep disparaging one fanbase because you're so butthurt that I disparaged one that you're in? Hold on, I'm going to go cry in my closet because some members of the Smash Bros. community might not be good Samaritans of upstanding citizens. :(

If you were to, y'know, actually read my post instead of hunting for what you perceive as low-hanging fruit to pick at, you'd see that my point is that Super is a wonderful game, but it's probably not going to be the second coming of Jesus to someone who has never played it before at this day and age, and to not let the hype ruin it for you. But you just keep on lying in the reeds and waiting for posts you can start shit over to feed your own ego. You're good at that.

Yeah, I read what you had to say to mZuzek. Doesn't change the fact that in two Metroid threads posted within the same time frame (lol at you thinking I stalk you, as if a fellow Metroid fan excited about the coming games can't simply be looking to visit Metroid threads and notice a pattern with you two while he's there. Don't flatter yourself) features you and he going to town on another guy simply for not thinking like you. Y'know, like the very thing I posted about? Like I said, you seem to have a thing for going after low-hanging fruit and trying to pick on someone after another poster has already set the table for you. Your avatar features a dolphin, but a vulture seems more approrpriate.

Hoo boy, the personal attacks have come out in full force.

First off, it's an orca, not a dolphin.

Secondly, the point in referencing Zero Mission is that if so many of us can't stand titles that aren't named Prime or Super Metroid, why would we recommend playing anything but those? You really think we'd be so concerned with people understanding the backstory of the Metroid series that we'd recommend titles that we thought were utterly inferior? Of course not. We recommend Zero Mission because we think it's a really good game. Most people don't think it's better than Prime or Super, but we don't think it's such a step down from those games that it isn't a worthy successor. If we did, we would just link people a summary of the backstory required for Super and tell them to go play exclusively that. The very fact that we're recommending a game on a mass scale demonstrates that we think highly of it.

As a practical example, if someone asked me what order they should play the Metal Gear games in, I would not recommend playing Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Metal Gear 1, or Metal Gear 2. Despite all of these games containing very significant plot events that affect the games that I would recommend people play (MGSV, MGS 1/2), they're simply not good games in my opinion, and I think someone who wants to get into the series would be better served simply reading a plot summary and then playing MGSV after they finish Snake Eater. The very fact that I recommend a game, even if the reason I'm recommending it first is due to chronological order, shows that I think highly of it.

Thirdly, the reason I reference Zelda and Fire Emblem's fanbase is because your initial post referred to the entire Metroid fanbase as "insular, intolerant, and socially inept," among other things, and to this point, the only reasons you have given to support that are the claim that a majority of Metroid fans supposedly consider Prime the only worthy successor to Super, and posts from two people which, again, you claim are examples of people being intolerant. My point in reference Fire Emblem and Zelda initially is that there are just as many "jerkasses" to be found in other fanbases. Fanbases are going to have differing opinions, and some people will be jerks about their differing opinions. My point is that Metroid is no better or worse than other groups when it comes to this. Calling the entire Metroid fanbase intolerant based on interacting with a limited number of members is, ironically, in and of itself intolerant.

I'm not bringing fanbases up to disparage either the Zelda or the Fire Emblem crowd: considering that I count myself as a member of both fandoms, I would simply be insulting myself. I regard both as great fanbases, and I enjoy being a part of them. However, I'm equally cogniscent that there are members in both fanbases who will be "jerkasses" about their opinions. That doesn't make either a bad fandom, nor does it make them "a bunch of circle jerkers;" it's just an unfortunate part of the internet.

Fourthly, if you're going to continue to assert that I'm "going after" another user simply because I don't share his opinion, then I'm going to insist you provide a quote or something else that suggests that I'm actually attacking him because he likes Metroid 2, and not because he was telling someone else that it was impossible to consider any Metroid game after 2 as one of the best of their era. Somewhat ironically, I was arguing against the exact thing that you are accusing me of doing; i.e. declaring someone else's opinion to be definitively wrong. He said that anyone who considers a Metroid game past 2 to be one of the best of its generation is wrong, and I said that's silly. I also called the other guy out for doing the exact same thing, albeit I didn't see his post until it was pointed out to me later so my response wasn't direct.

Finally, I'm still not sure where you're getting this impression that I'm somehow concerned with what you think of Super Metroid; like I told the user from the previous thread, you're welcome to think whatever you want of Super, Prime, or any other Metroid game. It doesn't bother me. What I will object to is decrying an entire fanbase as a group of circle jerkers. You can fully expect to get called out if you start a post out with that as your opening line.