JRPGfan said:
2020. By then 7nm will be out, and they ll be able to make a 10-12TF system for 399$. 4k60 will be the standard by then. |
Sadly. The 7nm tech is probably going to really be 14nm tech.
| CGI-Quality said: Which begs the question - if you, like me, game on a more powerful device than the X, why buy it? Is it because of Friends? LIVE? Not that I'm knockin' the purcharse - I, too, am buying one. I'm just curious about need, because you already own a device that will play the exact same games. |
For me it's about convenience. Playing a game on the PC in the man-cave, then calling it quits, going inside and sitting on the couch and firing up that same game with that same save.... Is awesome.
| Hiku said: I don't think anyone is questioning whether you get what you pay for. Just that $500 is more than they want to spend on a console. |
The simple solution to that is. Just don't buy it.
Buy the Xbox One S which will continue to be the cheaper alternative, run the same games, still play back 4k blu-rays.
| shikamaru317 said: Yeah, I agree. 10-12 tflops Ryzen APU's should be possible for $400 by 2020. |
Why do people keep hoping for Ryzen in 2020? Think about it. - It will be old and outdated by then.
Ryzen isn't happening for next gen.
| FallingTitan said: i can't wait for the xbox x!!!! my r9 390 gets so dam hot it heats up my whole room. |
That is the law of thermodynamics. The heat has to go somewhere.
If you think Scorpio will be any different. Think again. With it's vapour chamber cooler, it will be extremely efficient at removing heat from the console and dumping it into your room.
| FallingTitan said: and sometimes i get sick of glitchs where the pc doesn't pick up my x1 controller. Im starting to not care about graphics and just want a console experience FROM NOW ON. that and more multiplayer fun on consoles it seems like less play on pc? |
Not entirely sure what you are trying to convey here.
| FallingTitan said: so is the xbox x expensive? HELL NO. its cheaper then an IPAD which does much less and i'd spend 10000x less time on an ipad over its entire life time vs the xbox and its entire lifetime. |
The iPad is overpriced for the hardware you get. You pay a premium for that Apple sticker.
So not exactly a legitimate argument on your behalf.
| haxxiy said: 10-12 TF is indeed very feasible for the power envelope of a console on 7 nm. However, I'm slightly concerned with profitability at $399 since the cost per mm2 on a chip is increasing with every die shrink. A 300 mm2 chip on 7 nm might cost as much as a 400 mm2 chip on 14 nm, and Zen-like cores are huge, about 11 mm2 on 14 nm versus ~3 mm2 for the Jaguars on the same node. Of course, I'm sure the folks at Sony and AMD are very aware of that and might be coming up with smart solutions that doesn't involve scaling down their next generation console way too close to the XOX and even the PS4 Pro for comfort. Maybe even two smaller separate dies on the same lid - say, a 100 mm2 CPU and a 200 mm2 GPU - is going to be cheaper than a single 300 mm2 design. AMD already has a similar technology on Infinity Fabric to make it work like a single die. |
Newer process nodes are *always* more expensive than older ones. It is why sometimes chip manufacturers will stick with the old node for a little longer.
Once the newer process reaches a point in it's maturity, then it tends to supplant the older process.
| freedquaker said: there is a noticeable gap (especially due to the RAM bandwidth, not only the GPU grunt) but third parties usually opted for the lowest common denominator |
We need more information. But it is possible the Xbox One S in a worst case scenario could have bandwidth roughly equivalent to the Playstation 4 Pro.
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People have been saying that for the past 15+ years. So please bear with me as I roll my eyes.
| JRPGfan said: 4 Cores, 8 Threads = 44mm2 Its gonna be less than that at 7nm. |
Don't forget the amount of metal layers.
| Plerpy_ said: I don't doubt it's worth it specs wise, but at $649 AUD it's just too expensive. And without a killer app I can't help but ask what the point of it is (so essentially what my questions about the Pro were). At least with the Pro at the moment you can get the console, three games and remote control for $539. |
Convert our currency to USD. We are actually paying slightly less than the Yanks.
| thismeintiel said: I do think it will come standard with a 1TB HDD. And 16GB of GDDR6 or HBM2/3 will be used for the RAM, whichever is cheaper. |
GDDR6 will certainly have the price advantage.
Micron elaborated on it's plans for that technology too.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11543/micron-discusses-gddr5x-gddr6-and-gddr5
DonFerrari said:
I still find funny people that call Sony greed on releasing PS3 at 500USD for 20Gb and 600USD for 60Gb. Worse yet is that they knew Sony was losing 200USD per console sold... how can they be greed on losing money? |
I think in Sony's case many people didn't like Sony's attitude at that time with the whole "Work harder to afford to buy one" mentality.
https://www.engadget.com/2005/07/06/sony-wants-you-to-earn-that-playstation-3/
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