| Mr Puggsly said: Anywho, not all PCs are NOT designed for upgrades these days. They make compact PCs about the size of X1 or much smaller. Yet none of them have decent APU like a modern console. |
You can take such PC's out of their case and transplant it into a new one.
| Mr Puggsly said: Its not a silly argument, some of these Steam machines were designed without the ability to upgrade much. But they suck and are expensive because there isnt a good/cheap gaming APU in that market. I find it odd thats the case consideribg modern consoles are basically a x86 PC. |
There isn't a good APU on the market because APU's tend to be large chips, they are expensive to manufacture and people expect APU's to be cheap.
You are better off spending those transistors on CPU performance and get a seperate GPU.
Jaguar-levels of CPU performance for instance is unacceptable on PC.
| Captain_Yuri said: I again, agree that if you compare the xbox one x to the pc apus like the AMD A10 series, the xbox one "crushes" those and it's impressive. But comparing it to an i7 is just silly because the AMD A10 apus are the ones that are trying to be purposed as "budget gaming" APUs while the i7s are not... |
The i7's aren't needed to crush the Xbox One, the console APU's don't have CPU's anywhere near that level. An dual-core, core i3 perhaps.
| Captain_Yuri said: If an APU like the one on the Scorpio existed on PC, it would be kinda bad cause of how important CPU performance is to PC so having such a jaguar CPU + a strong GPU setup wouldn't work very well. However, it might be finally happen with Ryzen APUs but we will see. |
It won't happen, because bandwidth. Unless AMD's upcoming HEDT platform supports integrated graphics, which I I doubt. Then Quad-Channel DDR4 memory opens up a ton of possibilities.
| Captain_Yuri said: What I am trying to get at is... Comparing xbox one x to Amd A10 APUs on PC makes sense because those two are built to have a similar purpose. |
They really aren't though.
One was built for gaming performance and leverages graphics performance over all else.
An AMD APU on PC however is meant as a balanced chip good at everything, master of none.
And that is reflected in their hardware capabilities.
| Mr Puggsly said: The PC market has many options but no cheap APUs for modern gaming. Thats part of the reason Steam machines failed. |
I think the main reason why it failed is because... PC gamers just don't care. A OEM box that is to leverage a PC's software library was never going to be a runaway success. PC Gamers enjoy upgrading, enjoy building PC's. It's why companies like Corsair have such notoriety.
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