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SuaveSocialist said:
sc94597 said:

1.  I never said the second amendment is a human right. 

2.  There is no such thing as a "world consensus"

1.  In that case, you're lacking a complaint against those who don't consider the 2nd A. a basic human right.

2.  Considering 48 of the most powerful/populous/influential countries have officially and formally signed in agreement to the UN's Declaration while almost all of the others have no equivalent to the 2nd A., actually, there is such a thing.  

1. Do you consider self-defense to a be a basic human right? 

2. A lack of a second amendment <=/=> a lack of a right to self-defense. Considering not every country actually represents its population, nope, there is "no consensus." Unless you believe we live in a perfectly democratic world, which is an odd position for a socialist, there is no consensus. There is just majoritarian (or less) rule. 

I reassert George Orwell, his view is the consistent socialist one. 

Hell, even Marx knew why gun ownership must be a thing. 

No sane socialist would give up the people's right to defend themselves against their oppressors willingly. 


A people without guns can't assert their rights. The ruling classes who always have access to guns/militaries will never give up their power to a people who can't back up their claims to self-ownership and autonomy with the ability to defend themselves when these are trampled.