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Pemalite on 11 June 2017
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caffeinade said:

There is room in the industry for both HBM and GDDR, 'till at least GDDR7.
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IF a console were to use any HBM they would likely opt for a budget variant or try some monstrosity, hybrid with both GDDR6 and HBM2 or 3.

It was also ratified in 2016. GDDR6 was ratified in 2017.
HBM2 in Vega is going to have 409GB/s of bandwidth. So the low-cost HBM would be 327.2GB/s if it was on Vega. GDDR5X can push that. ;)

With that. It was only a proposal by Samsung. Not a real product.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10589/hot-chips-2016-memory-vendors-discuss-ideas-for-future-memory-tech-ddr5-cheap-hbm-more

Turkish said:

Hynix and Samsung both already make HBM2, it is already in production with the highest end cards and the economies of scale is ramping up further with Vega. Not only do they make HBM2 they also work on improving HBM. AMD is betting heavily on the technology,  it's not gonna go away. It might not be until HBM3 is ready for it to take over completely but it is the future of memory. Both Hynix Samsung are already working on low cost HBM3 with double the density and bandwith of HBM2, reported to come out in 2019/2020 just in time for Navi. Nvidia doesnt dictate where the industry goes. At best GDDR6 might be a stop gap solution that's gonna be phased in the next 2-3 years.

Vega isn't going to be shifting millions of GPU's. HBM2 will not take advantage of economies of scale. Vega is a high-end professional/enthusiast level Halo product.

People thought HBM1 was going to be the new "thing" when it debuted on Fury, Fury X and Nano. It didn't.

nVidia has more of a pull of where the industry goes than AMD right now. nVidia has more marketshare, sells more GPU's. Makes more money.


Turkish said:

No I either suggested GDDR5X or HBM2, but you only focused on HBM2 and how the technology is NEVER gonna be feasible on console level hardware.

And thus far. You haven't provided any evidence that contradicts me.

HBM2 is still never going to be feasible in any console. Ever.

Turkish said:

Well I'm looking forward to how MS will position the Scorpio against PS5 then, a short 3-4 cycle for Scorpio and then putting out a new console with games that are not gonna work with Scorpio is gonna piss off people.

Scorpio's positioning was already understood even when it was just a rumour. It was a Halo product of the Xbox brand.




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