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NATO said:
zero129 said:

I know Valve is giving a lot of credit for making Pc gaming more mainstream etc.

But MS has its place too, after all if it wasnt for the work MS done before hand for PC gaming the most likely wouldnt even be a Valve.

This isn't true at all, at best you can credit them for DirectX, but in the early days of PC gaming and when valve initially established Steam, many games used PowerVR, Glide, OpenGL and software rendering, to this very day a large portion of games utilize openGL over DirectX

And how are you going to sit there and say we should thank Microsoft for steam when Microsoft was one of the many companies that turned Valves proposals down?, are you seriously trying to claim that Microsoft should be given the credit for the existance of steam because they shot down valves proposals? that's a stretch by any way you look at it.

PC gaming is by and large, as big as it is today BECAUSE of valve and the steam platform, and that is in no way creditable to Microsoft.

Microsoft should get some credit for making Steam popular.  If GFWL hadn't been one of the worst experiences in the history of gaming, who knows what might have happened?