| StarOcean said: Unfortunately, no matter what -Trump would've won if it whether it be Hillary or Bernie. Hillary had a higher chance of winning and lost anyway. Bernie had absolutely no chance due to him being considered 'socialist' which to Americans is the second worst thing a politician can be besides Communist. Americans picked a facist over a socialist because they're too uneducated to realize socialism isnt as scary as they think. But going with the OP, the DNC should be held responsible for their actions but likely wont due to the chaotic nature of the orange attention whore. He'd rather sabotage his own presidency than let others steal his spotlight |
I disagree that Bernie definitly would have lost. He might still have lost, but it would have been a much closer race. But I presonally believe he would have won.
For one, Bernie wasn't an all out Socialist, but a Social Democrat. That, as I understand it, is still a capitalist system but with more government regulation ie - having a system far less rigged for the common person. Less crony capitalism essentially, but not necessarily less capitalism.
Second, I wouldn't call Trump a facist. That is an overly simplistic view, even more so than calling Sanders a socialist. Trump is actually left on some issues (he was even once a Democrat). Nationalist/populist would be a better description. He's sort of a Tea Party president. Maybe has some neo-Fascist attributes, but I don't see him as a Fascist.
But Anyway, I think Bernie would have had a much better chance to win than Hillary for a couple key reasons - Americans were looking for an anti-establishment candidate, more so than liberal vs conservative, because of the political establishment of the neocons/neolib policies failing us for so long. Bernie and Trump represented that, (yeah Trump might be considered "establishment" in the business world but from a political standpoint he was definitly outside the circle. Second, Bernie had the Rust Belt/Blue Wall of the US. These are the blue collar workers that largely made the difference in the election and helped Trump win. These voters did not trust Clinton, thanks mainly to the establishment Democratic leaders controlling their cities during the decades of massive job loss and deterioration of their cities, along with free trade deals like NAFTA outsourcing of jobs in which they felt cheated. When faced with the pro-free trade, pro-Wallstreet Clinton vs Trump, who advocated for the return of jobs to American and the backing out of bad trade deals, (much of which Bernie shared common ground), they opted for Trump. Now whether this is all hot air as far as Trump's rhetoric or there's something to it is a different story, but he DID reach out to these people with these promises, unlike HRC. This is why Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, nearly NH, etc, all went to Trump) when they haven't gone to a Republican since Reagan. I have no doubt in my mind that Bernie would have snagged these states and probably won the election.
Bernie was filling arenas, when Hillary could barely fill gymnasiums for their rallies. Bernie would win states while somehow recieving fewer delegates.. Thousands of Bernie voters were forced to wait in absurdly long lines thanks to a vast decrease in polling booths in close states in the DNC primary.. The media was almost UNANIMOUSLY in favor of Hillary. And this doesn't take into account the inheriantly rigged superdelegates the DNC implements. American politics have always been in favor of those with deeper pockets and the brainwashing media, but the DNC is (at least as of late) has been the biggest persecutor of this. There's little doubt in my mind that Bernie would have taken the nomination and probably beaten Trump if not for the DNC's antics of clearly rigging the primaries.

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