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Bofferbrauer said:
vivster said:

No, it's not about who came first. It's about who popularized and shaped it for the future. That's FF and to a lesser extent DQ. It's a Hall of Fame.  Not a Hall of Who Came First.

You can see that in how certain games were chosen within their own series. It's not GTA 1 or 2, it's GTA3 because it shaped open world games to come despite being entirely based on its predecessors and most likely other games. It's Street Fighter 2 and not Street Fighter because the original wasn't refined enough to have an impact.

That I know, the Black Onyx was just a question to Segata which of these games came out first, but I know none of these where nearly as influential as DQ or FF was.

My point about Wizardry and Ultima still stands though, since they shaped both eastern and western RPG design and where very long living series (Ultima online can still be played, Wizardry still has some games coming out in Japan and Wizardry Online)

But they still fall short as being widely recognized. They're definitely pioneers but that alone just doesn't qualify. They live on in FF which is a widely known series beloved around the world. Even most people who played FF don't even know what Wizardry or Ultima is. And that is where they failed and FF succeeded. Refining gameplay and wrapping it in an appealing  package. That's where those games failed and why they are the inferior contestants for inclusion.

That's why the inventor of the Laser is not included in the Hall Of Fame of computer mice.



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