What Nintendo learned from Sony

[Nautilus]

twintail said:

Nautilus said:

I never lumped my views into yours.You simply resaid everything(in that past post) I said from the beginning:That the screw up from Nintendo and MS, coupled with the promise of a great future, is what initially sold the PS4.

And yet we have famous youtubers that are known to be mostly Sony fans being really positive about a Nintendo machine for a change.I never said that this is definitive proof, quite the oposite, but given this and the fact that the Switch keeps selling out, Its beyong obvious at this point that the Switch is appealing to the consumer base outside of the Nintendo crowd.Now how much is another question.But that there is an appeal, there is.

I should have stated that the Switch is outselling the Wii U and 3Ds combined with their launch alligned.In the same period that they released(as in the first two months of the Wii U and 3DS  in Japan), the Switch is starting to outsell it.Again, its not a definitive proof that its going to be a success in the long run, but this coupled with the other things points that the Switch will do at least better than the Wii U(It isnt that much, but its something).

Ehhhh not really.Alot of the support that the Wii got were shovelwares(Party games, really simple games, or just straight bad games).It did have modest support, dont get me wrong, but its not as good as you say.And your Wii U example is horrible.The Wii U didnt fail just because of lack of third party.It was a variety of missteps by Nintendo(ended up being too expensive to manufacture, bad marketing, complete lack of first party games in the first year,a concept that was not that well thought, etc).People mistakenly put Wii U failure mostly due to lack of third party, and thats a common mistake.

And another thign that kinda pisses me off is the line of thinking "Oh, Nintendo will only be successful if they put a Pokemon game on their system".No.Nintendo can be successful and push systems without Pokemon.Dont get me wrong, Pokemon is a gigantic IP and is very important.But Pokemon by itself wont make a successful console, and a Nintendo machine can be successful without it.Justlook at Zelda.BOTW has a real chance of passing the 10 millions mark.Mario Kart 8 Deluxe had its best opening in US ever.Splatoon is bound to put Japan on fire, maybe with the same effect as a Pokemon game.Nintendo is more than Pokemon, Animal Crossing or FE.

As I said to Rol, I should have written that this variety is important, and is a lesson learned from Sony, in the sense that they are putting this much variety in such a short time.While Sony has the third parties to make the hard work for him, Nintendo needs to put the hard work itself, because it dosent have the same luxury than Sony.So its in that sense that they learned from them and thats why it is so important.

Its because you are placing greater importance on one aspect that I am not, hence why my opinion is not like yours. 

 Youtubers, who make their money off getting ppl to watch their videos and therefore basing their content on what is popular is not proof of anything. 

Well no this would be wrong. The Switch has only just passed the WiiU, launch aligned, in Japan. And still behind the 3DS. Its not doing better than both combined, at all. 

All really good selling hardware gets a bunch of shovelware but please, the Wii got a lot of bankable IPS. THe likes of NBA, CoD, DJ and Guitar Hero, Skylanders, 007, MH, RE, Fifa, Madden, NFS, Tiger Woods, Pro Evo, Lego games, Rock Band, some Rockstar support, Sonic, DQ, WWE, Naruto, Far Cry, Just Dance, PoP, Rabbids, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell , and of course the exclusive titles of which quite a few were good.

Fair enough, WiiU had many problems. It also had a lack of 3rd party support, which was felt even with the 3DS. Of course I cna agree that there are many other equally contributing factors.

Pokemon is pretty much one of NIntendos dominating IPs, more so than Zelda, or Splatoon will ever be. No one is saying that Ninteno will only be successful with Pokemon. THey are saying that Pokemon is what is guarenteed to help them, if things go South. And that is true. its a marquee IP that brings in consumers.

Fair point, that I can understand and see. But variety is not going to only come from Nintendo. Sony 1st party is ripe with vareity too but its not what ppl use when talking about software quantity and variety on PS devices. 

For your first point, fair enough.

It kind of is.Its not hard proof, but it is a strong indicator of what the general public thinks about the console.Sure, there is one youtuber here or there that exagerates things just to get the clicks and its not an actual representation of his or her opinion, but thats not the case of the more serious ones.

As for the sales, I was saying the week on week sales.Overall it still didnt, but since it is opening up an davantage, it soon will.

As for the games you listed, part of them are party games and not all of them aare quality titles, and the other part are extremely downgraded ports of annual franchises, to the poin that they feel like different games.Not saying thats a bad third aprty support, but its not something you really brag about.

As for the Pokemon point, I dont really agree, but I dont contest either.Pokemon is so important that can turn the tides of things.And though I believe Splatoon 2 will have a similar effect that Pokemon has on Japan, that is still in the future and dosent serve as much of an argument.Other than that, I can agree, just not with the same.... enthusiasm.