What Nintendo learned from Sony

[Nautilus]

twintail said:

Nautilus said:

Well, yes.Maybe "largely" might be a bit exagerated, but the early PS4 succes(and by that, I mean the first 6 to 12 months, not 1 or 2 months.XOne was pretty much screwed up until they released the kinecktless XOne) was due to Nintendo overall horrible decisions with the Wii U, and the horrible presentation that the XOne had, with its always online and no used games policy, among other bad decisions.Im not trying to say that the PS4 didnt succeed on its own merit, but it wasnt because of its "superb" games it had the first 6 months, which there were barely any.

And the Switch lineup for the first year is miles better than the Wii U first year.The Wii U had what?Pikmin 3, Super Marios Bros U, Nintendo Land and Zombi U?With what, maybe one or other Im forgetting?Its much worse, not to mention that the release schedule was horrenduous too.

I dont think so.I wont deny that merging both together has its benefits, such as the one you just listed, but its more than just Nintendo fans that are buying the Switch.Week after week, we keep hearing news that the Switch broke some kind of new record, be it with its software, or its hardware, and being Nintendo own record, or selling better than any other console.Its been 2 months already, and the damn thing keeps selling out.I wont say that it will be a huge success, it the sense that it will sell 80 or 90 millions, but by now its kind of getting tiring the same argument that we cant know it will have some success because there are no third party and stuff.I mean, we already have examples, like the Wii, or even handheld consoles like the 3DS, that amanged to be successful with little to modest third party support.And seeing that the Switch will likely get good japanese third party support, I dont see this "lets wait 6 months to see if its still successful" argument being that reasonable.

It had games for the masses. Which is all it needed. But again, its but one part of a larger equation Lots of things contributed to the PS4 success early on.

A month after initially launching , the 3DS was at 3.6 million WW. 6 weeks after launch the WiiU was at 3 million. So  How do you know its more than just Nintendo fans buying the Switch, when it represents 2 seperate streams becoming one? 

The success of the Switch is irrelevant to me when I was talking about disagreeing with you on the software point you were making. you cant say right now that software quanity and variety is going to match the PS4. If anything, we have more proof that it wont with tons of high profile 3rd party titles seeminly skipping the Switch. 

And yeah that argument about waiting to see is pretty valid. After over 4 years that WiiU isnt even at 14 million sales. It got over a 5th of that in its first 6 weeks.. Sure the Switch has a lot more going for it but I dont think you cna dismiss ppl who are taking a more cautious approach to understanding Switch sales. 

It had cross gen titles, and those wernt the ones that made the PS4 break sales records.It was the promise of great titles comming, coupled with the screw ups of the other two that made the PS4 so successful the first year.(good launch price and good concept is also there, but that every console should have at launch)

Something like that I cant really prove, but the moment that the system is consistenly selling out for two months straight on most regions, coupled with comments on forums like VGC and youtube videos saying that they are interested in a Nintendo console after a while, it stands to reason that the ones buying the Switch is not only Nintendo fans.I mean, every console launch sales is made up more by the company fans than other consumers, but saying that the sales is being driven solely by them is wrong.It was most certainly true for the PS4, it will be no different for the Switch.

If you compare to the PS4, sure.The PS4 got its diversity and quantity solely on the third party games, and Nitendo dosent have that privelege.Having said that, the effort that is being made on the Switch is this rega5rd compared to last gen is simply much higher than it was.In terms of AAA first party games, its probably double(and here I am assuming we will hear about 1 or 2 Nintendo games still releasing this year in E3) the ammount the Wii U and 3DS got combined for the same period.Not only that, but every Nintendo Switch title seems to being made with care and a decent budget.In another words, quality titles.We already have 2 90+ title on it, and the system barely launched.And thats with minimal third party support.All things considered, Nitendo is doing pretty well.

As for the last part, the Wii U was already showing signs of failure by this point on time.It did ship 3 millions more or less for launch, but it took about 6 months to sell those numbers if Im not mistaken.The Switch is the exact opposite of that.I am not saying it will be a runaway success, but for anyone that is more knowledgable about the game industry knows that, apart from a massive mistake from Nintendo, the Switch wont fail as nearly as the Wii U did.