Libertarian Socialism is an Oxymoron?

[Nirvana_Nut85]

taikamya said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Very true. What I find is even more ridiculous is people with economic left leaning ideologies who define themselves as Liberal ( which libertarianism originates from).

Interestingly enough a "classical" Liberal would have been against the social programs as they believed the free market was more efficient in pulling people out of poverty.

 

Same with private property in the means of production.

If you're interested in this economic thought I would suggest looking into Ludwig Von Mises, especially his book "Socialism", where he completely and utterly obliterates every argument for it.

First of all, no. Mises never ever refuted Socialism. I guess you may be blind by ignorance or just popular misconception.

Mises does not offer strict proof that Socialism cannot work. Mises states that it can't work, meaning that he denies the existence of proof that it may actually work. However he himself doesn't not prove anything, he just states it. Second of all, making a book about theories doesn't make you correct. Mises wrote against Socialism the same way Marx wrote against capitalism. Would you say Marx was right? Plus, Das Kapital was never finished so... there could've been more theories. Who knows?

Now, more detailed. Even though Mises did not prove anything against Socialism, there is a good chance he was right. If we use common sense and some perspective, we cannot assume he was wrong or even refuted, just because he didn't "obliterate" Socialism.

However, contrary to what Mises (and apparently you) seemed to think, it is perfectly reasonable for a welfare-statist or interventionist to accept this economic argument in its entirety. Meaning that a libertarian could agree with socialism and vice-versa.

See, if you happen to agree in some points and disagree in some other points, the silverlining is that you can form a bond. Libertarianism not always was this idea from today, as stated by a LOT of people already, and socialism didn't always have this stigma from today aswell.

Now to the OP: I don't know if this helps but... It's worth a look.

https://youtu.be/GB4s5b9NL3I

You might want to look up the term ignorance. My thoughts are that you've never bothered to read Mises' analysis of Socialism or else you would have been able to construct an actual argument instead of wasting my time with a nonsensical rant where you try to affirm your own assertions of " he did not refute it" by backing it up with a factless opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you've actually read the several hundred pages of his analysis and will be able to respond intelligently to my response. Although if you did, you wouldn't have mentioned that idealogical Kindergarten pamphlet written by Marc and attempt to make a comparison with the two schools of thought.

I'll make it easy for you. Which one, if not all points Mises' makes when referring to Pseudo socialist systems do you believe he did not refute? How about the chapter on socialism and ethics. How were his assertions incorrect?

I heavily leaned socialist in my late teens early 20s until I became educated. Educate yourself with both sides of the spectrum before making uniformed statements as the one you provided.