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Goodnightmoon said:
o_O.Q said:

 

it is not in human nature to practice moderation... which is where all of these socialist ideas fail

as long as the systems are imposed by people, greed will ultimately take over

And that's exactly why you shouldn't haver an agreessive capitalist system in any country either, the only thing you get is few powerful people taking profit of the others just because they have more money, they are greed and nobody put them any kind of limit, at the end is just freedom for a few while the others live like slaves, a good system needs some socialist ideas integrated on them, the more people deny this the slower our civilization is advancing, we need to stop seeing the boogie man in every single idea that resembles something about socialism.

 

 i would rather that many people have the chance to better themselves than having everyone be forced into a system where they are all made to be slaves so "equality" can prevail

and i am not polarised here, i do realise that there is a need to form a balance between freedom and security/social ideals but i think many people are yearning for a system where we tilt way too for over to the social side without understanding the consequences that entails

you cannt guarantee safety/security and at the same time preserve freedom - they are antithetical to each other

 

"a good system needs some socialist ideas integrated on them"

edit: i responded to this too hastily and i would agree

 

"the more people deny this the slower our civilization is advancing

advancing to what?