Libertarian Socialism is an Oxymoron?

[taikamya]

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

LadyJasmine said:

I think reading this, I have concluded that libertarian socialism is a massive oxymoron. Anyone who has defended the notion has mostly directly or indirectly has can back to the idea of government of enforcing those socialist values on to a society.

I see a lot of theoretical talk on here but pretty much can we skip the bullshit and just realize in todays world....

Progressives require a large big government enforcing progressive values onto society for their vision of society to come to fruition.

Because that is the only realistic way that will ever happen, and I find the justification that it can libertarian in nature turning into sort of theoretical exercise with no correlation to the politics of the current times.

 

Its rather simple, if a progresive governmnet wants me to have public healthcare for the bettr of all, I cannot for example seek private health care in Canada on my own...

If a society wants to put a cap on CEO pay to close the wage gap and be more equal, it is not being libertarian.

Pretty much I think its time to call a spade a spade. 

Very true. What I find is even more ridiculous is people with economic left leaning ideologies who define themselves as Liberal ( which libertarianism originates from).

Interestingly enough a "classical" Liberal would have been against the social programs as they believed the free market was more efficient in pulling people out of poverty.

 

Same with private property in the means of production.

If you're interested in this economic thought I would suggest looking into Ludwig Von Mises, especially his book "Socialism", where he completely and utterly obliterates every argument for it.

First of all, no. Mises never ever refuted Socialism. I guess you may be blind by ignorance or just popular misconception.

Mises does not offer strict proof that Socialism cannot work. Mises states that it can't work, meaning that he denies the existence of proof that it may actually work. However he himself doesn't not prove anything, he just states it. Second of all, making a book about theories doesn't make you correct. Mises wrote against Socialism the same way Marx wrote against capitalism. Would you say Marx was right? Plus, Das Kapital was never finished so... there could've been more theories. Who knows?

Now, more detailed. Even though Mises did not prove anything against Socialism, there is a good chance he was right. If we use common sense and some perspective, we cannot assume he was wrong or even refuted, just because he didn't "obliterate" Socialism.

However, contrary to what Mises (and apparently you) seemed to think, it is perfectly reasonable for a welfare-statist or interventionist to accept this economic argument in its entirety. Meaning that a libertarian could agree with socialism and vice-versa.

See, if you happen to agree in some points and disagree in some other points, the silverlining is that you can form a bond. Libertarianism not always was this idea from today, as stated by a LOT of people already, and socialism didn't always have this stigma from today aswell.

Now to the OP: I don't know if this helps but... It's worth a look.

https://youtu.be/GB4s5b9NL3I