sc94597 said:
1. All libertarian conceptions of society (socialist or not) are theoretical. But guess what, in the 17th century democratic republicanism as a concept was worse than theoretical, it was considered a failure after the examples of Rome and Greece. Most western countries were monarchies or oligarchies. Now look at the world. 2. Whether or not it is theoretical has nothing to do with the topic: whether or not such a label is an oxymoron. 3. Working for oneself is not the same thing as self-employment. While some would choose self-employment, others would choose to work in democratically managed cooperatives, communes, syndicates, or even a few might still prefer wage labor. Independent contractors exist in the real world, and I see no reason why they couldn't do any service work as manufacturing becomes mostly automated.
4. Stop plainly asserting things. Support your claims like "UNLESS you have a big state government that reshapes the economy...oh how libertarian lol." |
I feel like I am taking to a person who is basing his thoughts from the 60s... cooperatives, communes, syndicates??????
Talk about 2017 and what we have is the gig economy...by most measures it is a step down from stable employment with benefits for the average person. That is more a right wing dream then any progressive ideal of having every person fight it out for themselves reducing themselves to the lowest dollar...
Socialist libertarians seem to be people stuck in theory and ideal thoughts...like how hyper capitalist think the freerer the market the freer the people
In the end if people want a society that is more progressive you require the big hand of government to enforce those values onto a society to change it, it wont change on its own.
Perhaps afterwards when the society has been reshaped can a more libertarian style of system take place.
