@ disolitude
no not snes games but ones like cod 1 and moh european assault when you knocked the ps2 off you went back to the start of the mission.
i remember defending the tractor factory in cod 1 for 3 or 4 days.
but i enjoyed them as you say that is the point wanting to beat it because it is good.
anyway i will take your advice and try the demo it is up on live i think.
thanks reask