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TheLastStarFighter said:
palou said:

Yes, these are flawed. I did write them down rather quickly. I do think that a certain set of rules needs to be made, though.

 

1. I don't think that it matters if the superiority is justified or not. People believing that they are inherintly superior to others leads to useless conflict, and kills debate. If there is actual superiority, believing it will not be necessary for it to shine through.

 

Remember, this is for the spread of ideas, not what individuals believe. It is fine to make a hierarchic ranking between people - but that is something that each person should do by themselves, not by instruction of another.

I'll need to think a bit to make a good way to categorize the fear part - it's a bit difficult. But fear is generally dangerous, in itself, and can cause more dammage than what is feared - I do think some kind of mechanism is necessary to block it, as it is a thought that spreads incredibly fast.  Fear is a natural feeling.  It saves us from danger.  Irrational fear makes us foolish.  But it's not your place to judge which is which, nor should our society block fear.  When it comes to ideas and a feeling of superiority, this is natural and again necessary.  If a believer in an idea does not believe it to be superior, it will never spread.  And if the idea is indeed superior, we will all lose for its lack of spreading.

2. I support free thought. With the free speach part, I think that I may have formulated it badly - you cannot promote punishing someone for saying something that you don't like. You can, however, prevent their message from spreading, in my opinion.  But it's not your right to prevent it from spreading.  If it spreads, it's because people desire it to do so.

 

3. See point 2. Also, laws can and must be discussed - but as long are still in application, in a proper democratic society, you cannot tell people that it is fine to disrespect the law.  So the next time a black person is banned form sitting at the front of the bus, they should simply move without questioning it.  Also, the next time a leader says to round up Jews and cook them, we should not dissobay. 

 

4. This is again something that I believe should be determined by each individual by themselves. You can not spread a belief which includes that everything said can not be questioned.  Of course it can be questioned.  That is the point here, free thought.  I can say that murder is wrong and anyone that wishes to say otherwise is not welcome in my group because it's an unfalable opinion.  But others are free to think differently.  Just like the organizers of the Women's March would not welcome women who were anti-abortion.  It was the marcher's right to exclude differing thoughts because they believe in only their opinion being right.  But it also the right of the other women who are pro-life to not participate, and criticise the group for their closed mindedness. 

 

 

 

 

Generally, 

 

a) With tolerance of beliefs, I want to say allowing a belief to be spread. 

b) This is not an attempt to find an absolute truth. This is a list of rules to prevent the spread of ideas which can be highly harmful to society, irregardless of if they are true or not.

I feel that we are not discussing the same ideas here, robably also caused by a lack of calrity on my part.

 

I'll come back to it later, but here are a few small misunderstandings:

 

4. You can't tolerate the spread of a belief that includes (rules which prohibit questioning the belief.)

1. What I am opposing here is spreading a belief that states that (certain people are superior to others.) Example: the now defunct indian caste system. Would also include more severe cases of racism, or a religious belief stating that non-believers are less human than you (see: spanish conquistadors). I don't oppose people forming these opinions on their own, a conclusion from the situation they are in. I oppose the spread of these beliefs.



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