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Nuvendil on 20 April 2017
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BraLoD said:
Nuvendil said:

My point was that *he* brought it up without consideration for other variables as a reason to dismiss the score when numerous other logical explanations can be put forward.  The game includes all DLC plus new content, it won't have been reviewed by the same individuals, etc.  Saying that portability causes a net boost to game scores seems like a very trite and half baked rationale for dismissing a score someone doesn't agree with.  And as pointed out by others, very few reviews bother to even mention the portability as a positive.  And as otjers have also pointed out, plenty of ports have retained their high scores by just paxkaging all DLC together and polishing the visuals.  Thats what MK8D did and then added new content to boot.  Content that the original game lacking was a major complaint.

Now then, what am I dismissing here? Did I ever say the game doesn't deserve this score?

Here is where we are going into the imaginary and exaggerated realm of things.

 

Zekkyou said:
Nuvendil said:

My point was that *he* brought it up without consideration for other variables as a reason to dismiss the score when numerous other logical explanations can be put forward.  The game includes all DLC plus new content, it won't have been reviewed by the same individuals, etc.  Saying that portability causes a net boost to game scores seems like a very trite and half baked rationale for dismissing a score someone doesn't agree with.  And as pointed out by others, very few reviews bother to even mention the portability as a positive.  And as otjers have also pointed out, plenty of ports have retained their high scores by just paxkaging all DLC together and polishing the visuals.  Thats what MK8D did and then added new content to boot.  Content that the original game lacking was a major complaint.

I fail to see how bringing it up is "dismissing a score". As i noted to someone else, while i think portability is a logical point of discussion (if there was absolutely no net positive to something being portable, then the Switch wouldn't have a reason to exist), it's not a criticism. If it improved the experience for some critics, then it's a valid point of praise. It's just that MK8's score jump is an anomaly compare to the overwhelming majority of other remasters, remakes, and ports. We already know everything that's in the game, and yet even many Nintendo fans are surprised. Discussion is naturally going to turn to how we got here, and portability is one of the obvious places to start.

I suppose my wording was wrong. Downplaying is what it comes off as. Specifically when he implied, perhaps by mistake, that the game itself doesn't warrant the score and the portability lowers the standard (when he referrenced his main example of Persona 4 Golden and how it would not have gotten that score were it not for being on the Vita).  I do not like nor will ever approve of or shy away from criticizing handwaving if I believe it to be going on because I find it very petty. If that wasn't his intention, then I appologize but I think my mistake is understandable.

However worth pointing out, the big examples of this portability grace is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Persona 4 Golden, which are both upgrades in more than just graphics.  If that's the case and the gameplay had not aged (which neither had really), does not the upgrade explain the increased score more so than this grace that's given for portability. 

And while it is anomolous, I think the more obvious reason is that Mario Kart's battle mode has been considered core to the franchise for a very long time and Mario Kart 8's original battle mode was almost universally panned back when it first came out.  So for it to get comletely overhauled to be more in line in terms of quality with what is expected in Mario Kart would be a major improvement.  I mean, there were a lot of reviews if memory serves that said Mario Kart 8 would be the best in the franchise if the Battle Mode wasn't terrible, that should speak to its importance.