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naruball said:
setsunatenshi said:
Evil?

They can be wrong, it doesn't make them evil necessarily.

I think for many people describing themselves as feminists, I would say their intentions and heart are in a good place, but they don't realize the ideology that sits behind what they are declaring themselves to be, actually is sexist in itself and by conception bias against men (and in several forms of feminism against some women as well)

Then you have the professional victims like the Sarkeesian types that simply profit out of that buzzword and are actually destructive to the goals of equality that most of us would agree with. (not equality of results, but equality of opportunities)

I've been to two meetings of feminists and I was pleasantly surprised that though the hardcore ones were all about women's rights, the topics that they discussed and the reaction by most attendees were about men's rights too. They talked about how women are pressured to have a certain type of body and then female feminists would jump in and say, men don't have it much better since they're not allowed to show their feelings or they will be criticised by both men and women. They talked about words that they think are harmful, such as pussy or reference to "having balls" as a good thing, because both harm men and women. They brought up the need for paternity leave (though they said nothing about child custody).

My point is, how many times have people, who accuse feminist of all sorts of things, actually listened to them?  

How many of those reasonable ones get millions in donations and get to speak at the UN council as well as having tons and tons of mainstream websites / media regurgitating their talking points?

 

exactly...

 

Also in the example you have provided, I'm all for them discussing those or other topics. As long as they don't feel like they have some moral highground to make others conform to what they perceive as correct.

The discussion about language I find particularly harmful as it has the smell of thought and speach police. As if limiting the use of x or y words is the correct way to solve any problem.

Also the societal pressures I find a completely pointless subject (again, they should feel free to discuss it as much as they want) because these will always exist. It also reeks of an attempt to control sexuality and what people feel attracted to. Like for some reason it's bad to have a sexy woman / man displaying some sensuality in media.

 

So yeah, there's plenty of points I would disagree even with the more rational kind of feminists, which again, does not in any way make them evil like the OP suggested.