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nil8r153 on 20 April 2017
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LurkerJ said:

 

nil8r153 said:

You are 100% correct :)

It is an Islamic principle that the burden of proof is upon the claimant. Given my predisposition I would say the claimant is yourself, but regardlesss you still have a right to ask.

If you are after a more scientific approach then I offer you this:

http://www.hizb-australia.org/2016/09/shaykh-taqiuddin-nabhanis-argument-for-god/

If you have heard it spouted endlessly that the Quran is a "miracle" but never understood why, then this should shed light on that:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/the-inimitable-quran/

I am happy to share more if these links create more questions. I leave you with a roughly translated quote from the esteemed scholar, Shaykh Al-Albaani (may Allah have mercy upon him):

The person who is seeking the truth, one evidence will be enough for him. A person who is upon their desires, a thousand evidences will still not be clear for him.

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Knowing all of the above, I can finalise the big picture I am trying to paint now:

1. According to the Quran, Allah (allegedly) created us as weak and ignorant beings, and he/she is testing us, some of those who fail the test will reside in Hell eternally. At the same time, Allah claims he's the most "just", and no other being being can be "more just" than him/her.

2. Allah claims to be the "the most merciful" repeatedly in the Quran, and that there is no other being that can be "more merciful" than him/her.

To give your comment a fair answer would require a bloody book lol but that is more than I have time for, so I will address your final point with a simple point of my own for the sake of brevity, it seems to be the crux of your argument anyway. If you have a burning desire to see any other points addressed from my viewpoint (whatever that's worth, I'm not some authoritative figure or important personality, so don't mean to be arrogant) then let me know which.

So Allah's claim about being "the most just" is objectively wrong. Eternal punishment strips him/her from that title. 

One can think of many adjustments that Allah can make that will easily make him more merciful than he/she is right now.

Something I like to point out when this sort of stuff is brought up is how fickle collective sentiment and morality are. Take homosexuality for exmple, it was widespread in history, became scorned later on, it's ok again now etc. Don't get caught up in the example, my point is that attitudes and opinions change, and these attitudes and opinions are a sorry benchmark to apply to a divine being. It's like a student trying to argue a point with a scholar - the scholar posesses such a broad collection of information that he sees things the student doesn't, and the scholar knows that the student is wrong but even if he tried to explain to the student he would be to dumb to get it anyway.

That being said, your opinion is not objective whatsoever, nor is mine. There are some unavoidable biases at play - mine being the Islamic state of mind, and yours being your ideology. To me, eternal punishment is just, without a doubt. If the Creator, who knows all, knows that an individual will eternally be too arrogant to bow down and worship him, why should said creator not punish the individual eternally? If your response would be something along the lines of higher morality, then my previous paragraph is my answer to that.

My conception of justice is to give a punishment equal to the wrongdoing, and eternal disbelief seems eternally punishable to me (Disclaimer: That is the way I rationalise it but that may not be God's logic, as I am also human afterall, so what weight does my reasoning really hold when we are talking about a divine being.)

Forgive me if my thoughts seem scattered - had a long, tiring day.