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thismeintiel on 14 April 2017
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Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

I get you're a HW enthusiast, but maybe you should keep up with HW news. Vega 20 is 2018, which could possibly be put in a PS5 if it gets cheap enough the following year. Navi isn't coming til 2019, now. No way it'll be cheap enough if the PS5 is also coming in 2019.  I agree we may get something better than a Ryzen 1700, though, personally I'm not expecting it.  Also, if you're a HW enthusiast, why care about a console that's built with as much power as they can stick in without going over the $399 price tag? Stick with PC.

I think you might be a little confused. Navi and Vega are still set for their release dates. Vega 20 is another chip entirely and that could be dropping as late as 2019. Vega 10 will be launching this year with the Radeon RX500 series.
We might even see a dual-GPU Vega 10 chip this year as well.

AMD *has* to update it's entire GPU lineup with a new name (Aka. RX 500 series) on a yearly cadence for OEM's, which means at-least a couple of new GPU's.

http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-gpu-navi-gpu-hbm2-2017-2018/
https://videocardz.com/63700/exclusive-first-details-about-amd-vega10-and-vega20
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Vega-GPU-Architecture-Preview-Redesigned-Memory-Architecture
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser

When it comes to these things, I tend to have a track record of being right more often than not. ;)



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As for why I want consoles to have more power? That's simple. Consoles are the lowest common denominators.
They are the lowest performing platforms that mainstream AAA games are built for. The better they are, the better PC games graphically become.

Besides, I personally prefer newer chip architectures over older, antiquated designs as the older designs don't leverage new techniques and efficiency gains.

Ok.  Those are all older links, with only one being the very beginning of 2017.  Here's some newer ones I found that all point to a 2019 release of Navi.  Also, the slides in their suggest a 2018 release of the Vega 20.

http://segmentnext.com/2017/01/17/navi-10-amd-gpu/
http://www.game-debate.com/news/22121/amd-plans-to-launch-7nm-navi-10-gpu-with-up-to-128gb-memory-in-2019
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55875/amd-launch-monster-navi-10-2019-next-gen-ram/index.html
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-vega-gpu-specifications

As for the power, I can understand that.  Though, I think most devs do enough to push PCs, especially with all the graphic options they usually put in their games.  And it isn't like a single 1080 Ti can run every game in Ultra at 4K60FPS.  Of course, a lot of that has to do with devs not coding and optimizing for just one card.  Really, I don't think you're ever going to get that until tens of millions are willing to throw down $600-$700 just for a new card, which I doubt will ever happen. 

I guess you're just going to have to deal with the status quo.  Sony is going to try to put as much power as they can into a $399 box, without taking too much of a hit, because that's what tens of millions of console gamers want.  Like I have been saying, I fully expect something along the lines of a Ryzen 1700 (with the possibility of Zen+, instead) for the CPU and a Vega 10 for the GPU, both customized with some advancements from the next 2 years.  Not top of the line, but definitely enough of a gap over the OG PS4 (6x-6.5x, the same gap as last gen to the current one) to warrant a new gen.  And if Sony does another Pro, than we should see a Vega 10x Dual in there, like they did with the PS4 Pro.