Azuren said:
Hiku said:
Incorrect. If they had chainsawed him out of the seat, they'd be in jail for excessive force, manslaughter, etc.
| the line stops when the person is 1) not comploying with authorities (wrongly or not) and then resisting, simple as that. There are only one way to remove him from the plane; pull him and drag him... |
Two ways. Bash his skull in on an armrest.
And again they did not bash his skull, HE did but actively resisting and then hurting himself...
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And again, they did as well. Cops can get convicted with excessive force, or gross negligence, even if that situation happened because a suspect resisted and they had a right to detain them. Going back to the line I'm talking about that you pretend doesn't exist. If this man was a danger to others, and there was a sense of urgency, then it's a different story. But this was just a guy who wouldn't get off his seat.
The way they handled this man was incompetent to say the least.
| You ignored it but my analogy (somewhat extrem) with a dude pulling a gun on a cop and then being shot is the same... |
Because it was a horribly bad analogy.
If the man had attempted to, or threatened to, put the cops in a situation where their heads would get bashed in on an armrest, then and only then would your analogy be valid about them "shooting because they were scared of getting shot". But that's not the case here. He didn't threaten to do to them what was done to him. They weren't "afraid of getting their heads bashed in on an armrest, so they did it to him first."
Horrible analogy.
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The cops aren't at fault. They were called in to deal with something flight related, which has serious implications. If you resist, you can expect force in return.
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I think the cops are at fault, not because of what they did but how they did it. Needing to use excessive force on an old man to remove him from a seat shows that these guys are a bunch of incompetent buffons, buffons who are (likely) going to cost the company a lot of money and that old man a bunch of blood. (I mean, I get that shit happens and that things can get frustrating, but c'mon, he was just an old guy, taking a hold of him shouldn't be that difficult for TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, right?)
Also, if anyone is at fault here is the airline, for failing to plan ahead and allowing this shit to go through. Unless the 4 employees thing was a last-second thing in which case; well, I think a better way to resolve that would've been to look for a flight that wasn't already full, I doubt that they needed to get a fly that urgently, but in the case that they did, why not raise the compensation? Instead of $800 do $1000, that fails? Raise it the most you realistically can and THEN you can start using force. Makes sense right? Too much of a delay on the flight? Tough shit, you brought it upon yourself by not planing ahead (This also includes making a bunch of extra seats for such an ocassion).
