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Faelco on 29 March 2017
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Hiku said:
patronmacabre said:

I do think a lot of how Persona 5 is going to be remembered in the history of gaming won't be known until retrospective reviews about a year down the line.

Retrospectively, the original Nier was horribly underrated, while Bioshock: Infinite and especially Undertale have seem to have lost some of their initial luster. Bloodborne and The Witcher 3 (while highly rated at the time) have both gotten significantly more praise in the two years since they were released. MGS: V has lost a lot of its initial enthusiasm, whereas MGS3 (which was originally one of the lesser reviewed MGS's) has significantly improved in how people perceive it.

Simply put, when judging the GOAT, you can't just judge the game based upon initial impressions. People may still ultimately see Persona 4 as a more daring game than Persona 5 and retroactively prefer Persona 4. We'll see.

As far as being daring, I think P5 stands out in that department from what I've played. It's darker than I expected, precisely because it deals with some daring themes right off the bat, and things most games don't dare to bring up. And it doesn't take more than an hour before you've already been introduced to a few of them, even if some are only implied. So where things like Kanji in P4 felt like a smaller portion of the game, it's like theres a blanket of dark themes enveloping most of the game from the start.

Yeah, I've had an argument with another user a long time ago, because he was saying "P4 is darker than P5 will be". Nope, far from it. I played a little while on the Japanese version, and yes, you have some dark stuff happening really fast, it's psychologically harder than the P4 murders.

P4 Kanji spoilers: 

I sometimes seem to be the only one thinking that Kanji doesn't have a big issue in P4... I saw him recently being called a "LGBT character", but he's not even gay! He falls in love with a reverse trap, yes, but a woman nonetheless. He's troubled because he thinks that he's attracted by another dude, but once the real gender of Naoto known, the issues around Kanji almost disappear. He's a big thug looking guy who likes some girly stuff like knitting, that's not something dark or that serious... Am I missing something?