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FunKrusher said:
Are people in this thread calling the PS2 the "hardcore" only machine?

You can't be serious, the reason why PS2 was so successful was because of the casual market. Some of you need to learn your history, if you seriously think 120 million + "hardcore" players bought that machine, how does that explain the sales of most of it's successufl games. Last time I checked GOW, MGS, Shadows of Colussus and on an on an on, were maybe million + sellers but not 10 million + sellers, on a system with 120 million so-called "hardcore" install base.

If you're going to throw out definition you should really look up what they mean and use them in the proper context.

And to refute "sony is doing what they've always done" That's true and not true, Sony has always had an expensive machine and more technologicaly advanced machine from the outset. But where Sony is faltering is the exclusive formate (largely becoming a thing of the past), and they haven't adapted to the playing field which has changed.

My 2 cents

I'm out

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