Europe- economy, immigrants, and a potential inspiration

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barneystinson69 said:

VGPolyglot said:

1. Of course there's going to be immigrant ghettos, when you're poor you're forced into moving to a cheaper, more dangerous place.

2. If you do the research, you'll see that most immigrants who are on welfare would have already had to have worked and paid into social security:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10391238/Benefits-in-Europe-country-by-country.html

3. Migration has occurred throughout all of human history, including Europe. It's not just some new idea in the last few years. Also, you think Europe was much better centuries ago than it is now? I'm sure that you'd love living in a society rid with disease, poverty and constant war.

4. And why should we care if Europeans are a demographic minority in those cities? Native Americans are minorities in much of the Americas, are you going to complain abut that too?

1. Right, and when those areas start refusing to integrate, and the area starts becoming seperated from the whole of European society, is that Europe's fault? http://nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/

2. You'll be surprised how much immigration costs Europe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/

3. Of course it has, but large scale immigration is only a recent thing. You never saw millions of ME enter Europe, unless it was for conquest (balkans, Iberian).

4. So Europeans slowly going to extinction in their homeland of thousands of years is ok with you? Thats nice...

1. The level of immigrant integration most definately also depends on local hostility or readiness to interact with the newcomers.

2. There's a difference between immigration and the refugees. Refugees are people that you accept for humanitarian reasons. It's not to be expected that they are rentable.

3. Mass immigration into America/Canada was a thing. For Europe, the ex soviet union sent its fair share of strays.

4. How does the amount of immigrants in any way bring to european extinction? People don't stop having children because immigrants are around. At the 1.36 birthrate that Germany has they will need no help whatsoever to die off

 

Actually, poorer populations in western nations tend to have much higher birthrates. So if immigrants are ruining european economy, as you say, they are probably helping to keep them from going extinct