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Zekkyou on 23 March 2017
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Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

Do you know which variable he is discussing? No. 
Do you know in what capacity he is referring to any of those variables? No.
Do you have to assume specific results for both of these variables to arrive at a contradiction? Yes.

I can't be any clearer than that. It's fine if you disagree with his preferences for those variables, assumed or not, but it requires a very specific combination to arrive at a contradiction. Therein lies my confusion.

As a side note, you're being more aggressive than this discussion justifies. It started with interjections of stuff like "blah blah", and now we've arrived at "assumption fairyland". I don't care what you think of me or the discussion, it's not hard to be polite. You can say i'm wrong, confused, silly, whatever, but there's no need for active mockery.

Do we know what varibales he's talking about? No which is why clarification is needed to clear that up is saying maybe he should clarify unreasonable? No, I highlighted variables and flat out said some of them could be contradictions hence the asking for clarification it's not a hard post to understand and it's a problem of your own if you don't or didn't read it properly as that's as simple as it can get.

I'm being polite believe me you'd know when I'm being aggressive and people in other threads right now have shown far more agrression then what you're moaning about, if you don't like it then you're free to not respond. Fairyland describes it well because you're going round in circles on your own thing on something that was explained properly when asked for you to explain yourself for more understanding you refused and continued the approach almost as a deliberate attempt to be awkward so I'll describe it as such because that's how it's coming across a bizarre argument that you refuse to clarify on and continue to push. You're harping on about variables when earliar posts flat out say he should probably clarify. If blah blah is aggressive to you then you're free to leave because it's used in everyday language where I am to shorten things.

I've never said clarification wouldn't be useful, i just don't see why you'd immediately focus on such a specific combination of assumptions. If i said "i like apples" and "i don't like apple pie", i wouldn't expect people to say i'm being contradictory. I could understand if they asked why i felt that way, but i'd be pretty confused if they skipped too "it seems like you're being contradictory".

You've right this conversation has gone round in circle, but I've already been the following speaker in this discussion. When I've repeated stuff it's because either you did, or because you claimed i believe something counter to what I've actually previously said. I just read through our discussion again now to double check, and i often even qualify when my response to a point is one i made earlier.

Blah is by its very definition a dismissive way of condensing text, and "fairyland" is outright mocking. I'd have thought you above interjecting mockery into a discussion, but if i'm wrong in that assumption then fine. Clearly my impression of you was inaccurate.

How can i explain myself any clearer than in my previous post? You mimic the model of summary i used there, so clearly it makes sense to you. If you disagree then fine, but i'm not aware of any simpler way of explaining it. If you have one then by all means show me, i'd love to see it so i can utilise it down the line.