Turkey's Erdoğan approves bill giving him sweeping new powers

[palou]

Turkish said:

palou said:

The concept of sovreignity implies that foreign political enities do not influence the democratic process.

 

The desire to keep dutch elections to the dutch is not against democracy.

 

The dutch will not send people to Turkey to hold political rallies the week before elections.

It wasn't just Netherlands that blocked them, also Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

Freedom of speech is dead in Europe.

Goatseye said:

1- Because it's their country and Turkey political campaigns shouldn't be held when Netherlands is preparing for election day.

2- A democracy means that when anarchists forces try to disturb the rule of the law, they're properly dealt with. Before any group tries to assemble for a demonstration in any part of Western civilization, they normaly get local government permission to do so, especially, the ones that "happens with no problems".

Err that's no excuse to ban freedom of speech whenever you see fit. You cant claim to be a democracy and ban freedom of speech for people and opinions you dislike. Netherlands is no different than Erdogan in this regard, banning opposing views.

The ministers of a Nato ally come visit you, not North Korea, you show them hospitality, not treat them like criminals. The concept of hospitality is very strong in Turkish culture, maybe it's a thing the West can learn from them.

I'm no Erdogan supporter, but even opposition parties in Turkey have condemned this move by Europe. Europe's hate against Turkey is deep rooted and shown its ugly face.

Sharu said:

You see now how 2-faced the West is. They can smile to you, shake hands, and then hit you in the back.

They did it with Gaddafy, who were accepted by the West. To Asad. Now trying to do the same to Erdogan.

Also I glad that our countries were smart enough to not let incident with Russian jet arise to a direct confrontation between Russia and Turkey. I hope our countries relations will improve.

Agreed. It's funny how they talk about freedom of speech when it only matters to them and their POV.

For historic reasons (mainly that Hitler actually got elected, democraticaly), Germany has, by the way, always been open to censorship to prevent spread of violence/hate/etc... , in contrary to most of the western world.

 

Also, it is by the way NOT normal for uninvited foreign politicians to organize demonstrations in a country other than their own. It's not something that any of those mentionned countries ever did.