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palou said:
bonzobanana said:
For some time Turkey was held up as an islamic nation that was progressive and democratic but now seems to be pretty much like other islamic countries. It seems on course for civil war at some point. It seems islamic belief's and political corruption goes hand in hand. Not that politicians in general aren't corrupt it just seems much worse in islamic countries. It's like a medieval mindset in the 21st century.

That's quite independant of religion, just a property of countries that aren't developped enough. Most of South America, Africa, and Nepal (from more personal experience) all have high corruption. China is an open Oligarchy, so already a step ahead of Erdogan, though they are slowly reducing corruption (as expected, as the the nation becomes more developped.)

 

Money in itself isn't enough - what you need is a well-educated middle class with high-quality jobs.

Well, China's "anti-corruption" efforts are actually just Xi Jinping attempting to eliminate the opposition. China is still very corrupt, and shows no signs of that changing.