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LudicrousSpeed on 13 March 2017
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PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I'm just curious on what this list of commercially successful first party "hits" brought forth by studios Sony built from the ground up that we have seen recently would look like, because really off the top of my head I can't think of anything but Knack, which was bundled, and Gran Turismo, which stopped being a "critical hit" long ago and sells more on name nowadays than anything.

Not trying to say you're wrong, but what exactly would you include on this list? Maybe not all of us can "admit this" because it's an issue largely exaggerated here. Sure, if you go alllll the way back to the PS1/PS2 days I bet this list would be pretty great. Spectacular, even, maybe. I doubt that can be said at all for the PS3 era or most importantly, currently.

I include games that fit my original definition, original studios, no funding, no buying, straight up development. So no R&C, BloodBorne, Resistance, Order 1886, Uncharted, inFamous, etc. Stingy definition, but at least, its a fair criteria that has been outlined with what I'm arguing, and justifies my other point of MS being harped on for the lack of original content. We are in the midst of Sony's strongest years of first party production for PS4. It's to be determined at this point but its looking like a bright future. Knack is under 2 Million sold according to VGC, so I'm unsure what you consider a commercial success. Personally I say at least 2 Million, like Forza, could be considered a commercial hit.

TLG is at 1 Million atm, it will leg itself to 2 Million lifetime, yearly MLB pulls in 1 Million, GT Sport is a candidate for 10 Million, GoW is primed for 5 - 10 Million, Knack 2 can sell 2+ Million, and whatever projects we get from Sony Japan (one of which is a rumored JRPG according to trusted, NeoGAF user Verendus, who has a strong track record with reveals) + London Studios (8 Days has never been formally cancelled, similar to TLG, and IIRC this studio employs a large amount of people). I could be reaching for the last two though.  Older, original, Sony studios were shut down, unfortunately, so you're right in the list being somehwat shortened. 

Though a historical perspective of original studios would widen this list up quite a bit. 

So it's essentially Gran Turismo, God of War, and maybe TLG will make it eventually. I don't consider Knack a commercial success simply because it was mass bundled. Who knows what happens with Knack 2, but the first was not a critical success and was heavily bundled, inflating its sales number.

Potentially three franchises to Microsofts one. Not exactly a good showing for either company. Nintendo trounces them both. Imho Sony is a far cry from the PS1/PS2 days. They both depend heavily on outsourced exclusives and quality games from studios they have purchased. Personally I don't care if MS wants to spend some of their massive war chest on new studios, but it seems like the industry is heading away from that.